Raeri:

A faeling that can reimagine themselves for an extra +4 con weight and +15% h/m/e from homunculus buff that stacks on top of throne?

Reimagination is unrealistic to keep up in pvp.

But yep, I have those. Most guilds have skills that buff their hme too.

But since my argument is strictly about race, I didn't bring those up. What about them?

Don't see how this is such a big issue when anybody can get any of these things. Offer more essence to your divine for TFs, put up throne for throne. No issue for me on this!

Assuming that your divine give out TFs for offerings /shrug.

And that your city/commune has an active divine, and the other side doesn't have multiple divines handing out TFs like candy.

I thought rant threads weren't allowed anymore?

I didn't really think this was a rant thread.

The most ranty thing said here was more of a bitter statement about how their org's gods don't hand out TF's unlike super org Y over there.

I don't think we're going to change long standing game mechanics based on "my god isn't as free wheeling with favours as their gods" arguments - which seems to be what most people are making. Not all, but most.

I also really doubt we'd do much of anything based on a forum thread, so make an envoy report, as I believe Vadi has already said he would.

For my two cents, generally 'PvE only' mechanics don't cut the metaphorical wood. Damage reduction is damage reduction, damage boost is damage boost - it's pretty silly to say 'just for mobs' or 'just for players', and we try to avoid that distinction whenever mechanically feasible.

For a lot of gods, it'd be silly to give out TFs just based on offerings, tbh.

What should be fixed right away, though, is the wording on HELP FAVOR. Change it to say that TF just gives one con point, as it only does give one, but that stacks with the existing +1 from Favor.

Enyalida:

For a lot of gods, it'd be silly to give out TFs just based on offerings, tbh.

What should be fixed right away, though, is the wording on HELP FAVOR. Change it to say that TF just gives one con point, as it only does give one, but that stacks with the existing +1 from Favor.

TRUE(DIS)FAVOUR
- Adds (or lowers) one point to all stats.

Was already done, it looks like.

How about just restricting the maximum potential h/m/e boost to 20%, regardless of source? That way it doesn't stack with the artifact rune to the same heavy amounts anymore. Sure, it's a nerf to people with the runes (I have one myself), but it also changes the value inherent in them - people with them don't need to go around seeking all the best h/m/e buffs and can settle for getting the low and easy ones to max out their potential.

This will address the supposed problem of non-tanky races getting too tanky while also leveling the relative gap between players. Making every available in-game boost 5% except for one the ones you need to spend credits on seems pretty lame.

Or if 20% doesn't sound right, suggest some other amount.

Also, if Throne is still deemed too powerful, all you need to do is this:

1. Keep fisher respawn time after the throne is drained/raised the same.
2. Increase the respawn time for cocoons to 20-30 hours, randomised within that window.

If you do that, I'm pretty sure people aren't going to bother constantly farming the fishers out until cocoons start appearing, and you ensure that it's not going to get raised more than once a day-ish, at most. Especially if the previously suggested ceiling goes in, too.

Enyalida:

For a lot of gods, it'd be silly to give out TFs just based on offerings, tbh.

What should be fixed right away, though, is the wording on HELP FAVOR. Change it to say that TF just gives one con point, as it only does give one, but that stacks with the existing +1 from Favor.

It's not for you nor me to decide if it's 'silly' to give out TFs based just on offerings.

If this thread turns into a commentary/complaint on how gods give out TFs (or don't give them out), I'm just going to lock it down, and if you have any concerns on the topic, you're welcome to bring them up with your envoy, who is welcome to submit a report.

Also, while it's on my mind and it is annoying me, I have no idea why people are attacking the con in the truefavours so much. What I really want, and crave from divine favours is that 15% damage reduction, even as a faeling. I find it utterly bizarre that so many people seem to have it backwards, nor do they even understand how much con a truefavour actually provides.

Anything above the strongfavour is just fluff.

Honestly, Sojiro? You're going at this from a 'racial balance' standpoint?

How about fixing Faeling strength before you start up with that argument? If you're going to nerf (again) races with low health / mana / ego, when such things as the Throne and other blessings existed during the last racial balancing (and which give a greater benefit to races with high stats, by the way, given that it is a percentage), you can't just wash your hands of it there and be done.

You actually have to look at the races you're impacting to a greater degree... and heck, even with this as it was it was already pretty well agreed upon that Faeling could use +1 strength (still leaving them a point lower than Aslaran, same speed as Aslaran, and without the Aslaran's other perks-- but with perks of their own to counter the lower con / strength / etc).

If you're going to argue racial balance, then by all means, let us argue racial balance. C'mon, Viscanti!

Ytran:

TRUE(DIS)FAVOUR
- Adds (or lowers) one point to all stats.

Was already done, it looks like.

Okay, cool!

Eventru:


It's not for you nor me to decide if it's 'silly' to give out TFs based just on offerings.

That was... exactly my point. It doesn't make sense for some gods to be handing out 'material' bonuses for offerings, while it makes an enormous lot of sense for some other gods, depending on how the God Player handles the character!

Eventru:

I don't think we're going to change long standing game mechanics based on "my god isn't as free wheeling with favours as their gods" arguments - which seems to be what most people are making. Not all, but most.

I also really doubt we'd do much of anything based on a forum thread, so make an envoy report, as I believe Vadi has already said he would.

For my two cents, generally 'PvE only' mechanics don't cut the metaphorical wood. Damage reduction is damage reduction, damage boost is damage boost - it's pretty silly to say 'just for mobs' or 'just for players', and we try to avoid that distinction whenever mechanically feasible.

I would hazard a guess that 95% of all abilities in this game are PvP only. Not sure why that door can't swing both ways.

Xenthos:

Honestly, Sojiro? You're going at this from a 'racial balance' standpoint?

How about fixing Faeling strength before you start up with that argument? If you're going to nerf (again) races with low health / mana / ego, when such things as the Throne and other blessings existed during the last racial balancing (and which give a greater benefit to races with high stats, by the way, given that it is a percentage), you can't just wash your hands of it there and be done.

You actually have to look at the races you're impacting to a greater degree... and heck, even with this as it was it was already pretty well agreed upon that Faeling could use +1 strength (still leaving them a point lower than Aslaran, same speed as Aslaran, and without the Aslaran's other perks-- but with perks of their own to counter the lower con / strength / etc).

If you're going to argue racial balance, then by all means, let us argue racial balance. C'mon, Viscanti!

You're arguing something completely differently, actually.

The reason why I ignored faelings and viscanti was because I explicitly said that I'd be addressing the top 5 bottom races which the forum population voted on. Nothing more, nothing else.

Expanding the pool to every race that anyone has ever had a problem with would have unnecessarily dragged on the process and would have resulted in far more whining than intended.

So yes, I ignored faelings and viscanti because I'd rather not get into it for 20 posts against someone who's insistent that their race is terribad.

I didn't ignore faelings because they're faelings, I ignored faelings because they weren't the focus of the thread.

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What I feel about the throne has no bearing regarding faelings as a whole. I still agree that they could use their +1 str back, but I also think that their "weakness" isn't really much of one given the myriad of hp-boosting effects there are, of which the throne is one of the biggest culprits.

Deschain:


I would hazard a guess that 95% of all abilities in this game are PvP only. Not sure why that door can't swing both ways.

As I said, we try to avoid that distinction whenever mechanically feasible. Unfortunately, coding in serverside systems and PvE afflictions for every mob in the game to use and be afflicted by isn't feasible. We'd also have to consider mobs having defenses, damage buffs, etc etc etc.

You're very welcome to argue the point (or your envoy argue it) until blue in the face - I'm merely pointing out that every instance of 'PvE only attacks' or 'PvE only defenses' that have come up (and there's been a lot lately) have systematically been shot down every single time. Maybe next time will be a charm - it's your/your envoy's once a month report slot to use, not mine.

Xenthos:

If you're going to argue racial balance, then by all means, let us argue racial balance. C'mon, Viscanti!

Viscanti have to exist first. Better suggestion:

C'mon Illithoid Magnagoran Specializations.

OH GOD IT'S STARTED.

See what you've unleashed Xenthos.

Good lord, now we're just missing the merian/tae'dae crowd and we'll have a good old fashioned race party.