I really do cherish and enjoy the assumption that the "travel set should be worth more because it completes the set"

Personally, a travel set would in fact not complete a set, and setting an outrageously high cost on them, as Enyalida put it, essentially ensures that I won't be finishing any collections. I'm just going to enjoy the ones I have, for what they're worth.

This was a pretty good promotion up to this point. I was fully ready to spend 3, 4, hell, 5mil gold on a full 100-piece set, even though I don't readily have 5mil. Nine million gold, really? The potential for this last bit to make some real progress towards "fixing" the even further broken credit market was looking really good.

This does not accomplish anything, and makes people hoard more gold, refuse to buy packages, and anchors the credit market at a price three times twice what we started with at the beginning of the promotion. Congratulations!


This was an excellent promotion, up to this point. It was a great way to segue back into the game. In addition to the benefits of the curios themselves I was able to gain a couple of levels, re-outfit my character, obtain useful utility artifacts for my vials and pipes, trans a few skills, and I now have a divine true favor for about 3 RL months. I know that seems like a lot in addition to the curios but I did pay a significant amount of money to achieve this.

Update:

Astro Collection: the Arthrar'rt Observatory
Bird Collection: the Kiakodan Nature Reserve
Bone Collection: the Ruins of Shallach
Face Collection: the Village of Duum
Feather Collection:
Figure Collection: the Meliashmora of Imperial Secrets
Flower Collection:
Flutter Collection: the Verasavir Valley
Light Collection: the Cay of Cloadahi
Mechanical Collection:
Scholar Collection: the World Library
Sky Collection: the Cloud Maelstrom
Snake Collection: the Caverns of Muhanlesh
Spider Collection: the Feyranti Estate
Tool Collection: the Chancel of Clangorum
Torture Collection: the i'Xiia Asylum
Toy Collection:
Utensil Collection: the Grey Moors

Input on ambients is still needed for a good majority of the travel curios, too! I'd appreciate it if the 1st and 3rd person messages are tossed my way, along with the color according to CONFIG COLOR, please!

What planes do the curiobixes work from?

In the last 12 hours, this is how many packages were bought:


package62667: a package containing one travel curio 97 150000gp
package63255: a package containing five travel curios 100 750000gp
package65740: a package containing ten travel curios 100 1350000gp
package66376: a package containing twenty-five travel 99 3000000gp
package60626: a package containing fifty travel curio 100 5250000gp
package68327: a package containing one-hundred travel 100 9000000gp
28 total new pieces.

G'luck building your curios with that.

Xenthos:

In the last 12 hours, this is how many packages were bought:


package62667: a package containing one travel curio 97 150000gp
package63255: a package containing five travel curios 100 750000gp
package65740: a package containing ten travel curios 100 1350000gp
package66376: a package containing twenty-five travel 99 3000000gp
package60626: a package containing fifty travel curio 100 5250000gp
package68327: a package containing one-hundred travel 100 9000000gp
28 total new pieces.

G'luck building your curios with that.

They've restocked at some point. I saw the 100 piece packages at 96 this morning. And that was < 12 hours ago.

Yeah, more packets than that were sold. It's still a far cry from the sales of the other packages though.

Ytran:

They've restocked at some point. I saw the 100 piece packages at 96 this morning. And that was < 12 hours ago.

They get restocked at the first of the new month (which was around 12 hours ago).

People who were camping the first set for wheel spins were all over that reset time, heh.

This was how it looked not long before the first, in case you're curious (I actually checked the wares sometime on the 25th):

package62667: a package containing one travel curio 65 150000gp
package63255: a package containing five travel curios 88 750000gp
package65740: a package containing ten travel curios 83 1350000gp
package66376: a package containing twenty-five travel 94 3000000gp
package60626: a package containing fifty travel curio 95 5250000gp
package68327: a package containing one-hundred travel 96 9000000gp

EDIT: Which means that a little over 1000 pieces were sold at that point. Heavens knows how many of those were rubbed...

I don't really understand the need for catty posts or caustic commentary. We've stated we're comfortable with the pricing - we said they'd be very expensive, and they are. Est has stated she never envisioned them to be mass-produced and everyone to be walking around with half the available collections. I'm sorry you feel the price isn't appropriate - please, don't buy them if you do not want to.

There's really no need to sit and make unpleasant comments long after your initial voicing of dislike for the situation.

Eventru:

I don't really understand the need for catty posts or caustic commentary. We've stated we're comfortable with the pricing - we said they'd be very expensive, and they are. Est has stated she never envisioned them to be mass-produced and everyone to be walking around with half the available collections. I'm sorry you feel the price isn't appropriate - please, don't buy them if you do not want to.

There's really no need to sit and make unpleasant comments.

There's a lot of need to make comments, because one of the replies from the Administrative side was that it was "fine" because "12 had been completed". There's a huge disconnect here. There should be many more out there being created / enjoyed / traded for / making happy little customers! If said comments come across as caustic, well, perhaps I am feeling that my trust was abused here; there's a difference between "expensive" and "so high priced that essentially nobody wants to buy in, so even if you do you can't complete your collection".

At this point, you guys have created yourself another failed mechanic, but you insist that you are "comfortable" with it (including right there).

The absolutely horrible part is that there is no need for it to be perceived this way by your players. You took a system which was going swimmingly, which everyone was positively enthusiastic about, and in a 24-hour window everyone's just gone "meh" and thrown their hands up in the air.

At hundreds of credits for the previous packages, they weren't really going to be mass-produced anyways. The only thing this price has done is ensure that they aren't really going to be produced at all. You will spend 9 million gold to try to get enough pieces to get most of a set... and then you will have nobody to trade with, so you've just wasted your gold and made no progress.

I don't think you understand just how frustrating it is-- if you can't afford it, you're SOL. If you can afford it, you're still SOL, because unless you plunk down 18 million for two 100-piecers yourself you're probably not going to finish any sets... and even then, you'll only manage to complete one or two if you're really lucky. Probably not even the ones you really want. Simply because trying to get the right pieces through trading is nigh-impossible when nobody else is buying.

It's not going fine. At all.

PS:
300 credits for a 100-piece package.
300 credits for a second 100-piece package.
300 credits for a third 100-piece package.
5,000,000 gold for a 100-piece package.

You're plunking down 900 credits and 5,000,000 gold to try to complete a few sets; I don't see how that would be considered "cheap". 5,000,000 is pretty darned expensive, but it was a price people (including myself) were willing to pay. :/

Unless you were in the initial wave when they were released, there's no way you're completing 10 curios out of each list. You're more likely to be able to make 4 full Curio collections of your choice, for a very hefty investment (including a massive investment in time trying to trade for those old sets).

You know, with all due respect Eventru, the only reason I bother to post caustic comments, is that's how I learn personally. If there's anything I've learned out of Dungeon mastering for several different kinds of D&D campaigns over the course of the past three years (which, obviously is a far cry from managing a whole IRE game) is that it doesn't matter at all what I'm comfortable with, its about designing a situation, an encounter, a game that my players are comfortable with

Specifically, when I design stupid, terrible, awful characters, encounters, dungeons, etc, I rely on my players to tell me how much they hated it, or that they were not having fun. Only when I'm told that they enjoyed their experience do I know I'm doing a good job. When my players tell me they did not enjoy something, I try to fix it if I can, and if not, I make a note not to do that again.
Just some food for thought


EDIT: Or is that not why the Envoy process is around?

That is... a very good point, Tau.

Update:

Astro Collection: the Arthar'rt Observatory
Bird Collection: the Kiakodan Nature Reserve
Bone Collection: the Ruins of Shallach
Face Collection: the Village of Duum
Feather Collection: the Clarramore Cloud Gardens
Figure Collection: the Meliashmora of Imperial Secrets
Flower Collection:
Flutter Collection: the Verasavir Valley
Light Collection: the Cay of Cloadahi
Mechanical Collection:
Scholar Collection: the World Library
Sky Collection: the Cloud Maelstrom
Snake Collection: the Caverns of Muhanlesh
Spider Collection: the Feyranti Estate
Tool Collection: the Chancel of Clangorum
Torture Collection: the i'Xiia Asylum
Toy Collection:
Utensil Collection: the Grey Moors

I think the prices are reasonable. It's gold, so there's no limitation. Credits, on the other hand, rely on people buying them and selling them on the credit market.

So-- your thought is that you should bash up 18,000,000 gold (are you even considering how long that would take) for the chance to complete a set or two, or bash up 9,000,000 and expect everyone else to also do that (which, if there's competition over the bashing areas, means less gold-per-kill anyways)?

Gold is pretty darn limited by time, and more people working at it limits it even further.

Right now these packages are valued as if credits were 30k each. When the packages were released, credits were 20,000 each (as a note, right now they are actually higher, the average sale price is 21113 currently). It's... well, you're better off just buying credits, vs taking a 50% loss on your gold. :|

Edit: Seriously the biggest problem is that if people don't want to buy it, you can spend millions of gold yourself to absolutely no effect whatsoever. The packages only work when other people are buying as well and there's a good amount of trading going on. :(

Curios are being traded and people are completing sets. It's just not going to be so easy to complete everything in a few days. More of a long term goal. Anyway, what else are you going to do with oodles of gold?

I think so long as people are flexible and don't go on a rubbing frenzy - which is unlikely to be profitable with this set - we'll be ok.

And Iytha, curiobixes work from astral etc but not aetherbubbles.

Curios are being traded and people are completing sets. It's just not going to be so easy to complete everything in a few days. More of a long term goal. Anyway, what else are you going to do with oodles of gold?

I think so long as people are flexible and don't go on a rubbing frenzy - which is unlikely to be profitable with this set - we'll be ok.

And Iytha, curiobixes work from astral etc but not aetherbubbles.

I've been watching it for the last couple of hours since I've been on. Only a handful of extra travel bits have been bought.

People are mostly buying (and trading) the older sets; a few people are advertising for bits, but without more investment, they're having a lot of difficulty completing.

Oodles of gold can have other things done with them; you know, like buying out the credit market and driving up the price, heh. Right now that's actually a better deal than these boxes. :(

Curios are being traded and people are completing sets. It's just not going to be so easy to complete everything in a few days. More of a long term goal. Anyway, what else are you going to do with oodles of gold?

The problem with curios being a long-term goal is that curio trading is, by necessity, dependent on other people also buying and trading curios at the same time, and ergo over the long term. This isn't what's happening - it's been possible to complete sets recently because of the sudden wave of "omg shiny new must buy", but once people start finishing their sets and/or the novelty wears off, it's going to become continually more difficult to find others to trade with. Hell, I've had a hell of a time trying to find people to trade for curios from even last week, and it will only get slower.

And I should note credit prices are actually dipping downward a little because of this. Honestly, what should be happening is people move more credits on the market due to people wanting to cut the extravagant prices so they can get a short term gold influx, at least I think that's the theory.