Phred:

And I should note credit prices are actually dipping downward a little because of this. Honestly, what should be happening is people move more credits on the market due to people wanting to cut the extravagant prices so they can get a short term gold influx, at least I think that's the theory.

They haven't actually dipped down; they're still at where they were when it started (right around 20k). Average price is still 21,057 right now, and it was around 21k last night at this time when the bits were released. There was an initial downward surge to ~19k but it's gone back up again.

Also, the lower the price, the more credits you'd need to sell... which just raises the end price even more for you. It's not a great deal even going that way. :( At 20k you'd have to sell 450 credits to get a 100-piece-package. How many people have 450 unbound credits they want to throw away for something where its counterparts are 240?

Curios are being traded and people are completing sets. It's just not going to be so easy to complete everything in a few days. More of a long term goal. Anyway, what else are you going to do with oodles of gold?

I think so long as people are flexible and don't go on a rubbing frenzy - which is unlikely to be profitable with this set - we'll be ok.

And Iytha, curiobixes work from astral etc but not aetherbubbles.


While I do agree that the gold pricing is rather gutting (esp. for gold poor folk like Orv), I would like to highlight Dys' mentioning of flexibility. I had nowhere near enough gold for even a single travel curio, but I was lucky enough to trade off what old curios I had saved and dingbats for pieces, and completed 1 travel curio. I feel, that so long as people don't get terribly... picky or.. greedy about what they're expecting in return, that you'll be able to turn those randoms around and complete what you want eventually. My 'old' curios aren't inferior to your 'new' curios... there will always be someone out there who wants what you've got, be it for assembling or rubbing. If it's for the latter, well be sure you don't want that curio you're parting with, and get it over with, like a band-aid, and embrace your newest piece towards your goal. It's also nice if you keep other people in mind, if they need something - like a trading network.

GealbhanBheag:


While I do agree that the gold pricing is rather gutting (esp. for gold poor folk like Orv), I would like to highlight Dys' mentioning of flexibility. I had nowhere near enough gold for even a single travel curio, but I was lucky enough to trade off what old curios I had saved and dingbats for pieces, and completed 1 travel curio. I feel, that so long as people don't get terribly... picky or.. greedy about what they're expecting in return, that you'll be able to turn those randoms around and complete what you want eventually. My 'old' curios aren't inferior to your 'new' curios... there will always be someone out there who wants what you've got, be it for assembling or rubbing. If it's for the latter, well be sure you don't want that curio you're parting with, and get it over with, like a band-aid, and embrace your newest piece towards your goal. It's also nice if you keep other people in mind, if they need something - like a trading network.

The point Xenthos and I are trying to make is that there won't always be someone who wants what I have. There are a limited number of players in Lusternia, a limited number of people to trade with, and an even further limited set of people who can actually afford any of this. There are people who are completing their sets, slowly, and there will continue to be these people, until curios are irrelevant.

There are people, me among them, who just are not going to buy any of the new curios. So not only are there going to people who want what I have, but there aren't even going to be people who have what I want. I will tell you, I have heaps of old curios in my pack, and getting any new pieces for them (the non-collection kind) has been a literal hell

I find the prices reasonable, given what the curios do. If you want to collect them and build a full set, with or without trades, you're in it for the long haul, and that's just fine.

Zarquan:

I find the prices reasonable, given what the curios do. If you want to collect them and build a full set, with or without trades, you're in it for the long haul, and that's just fine.

How many of the travel ones have you bought? I'm curious; if you find them reasonable, you have to have bought a few, or be planning to.

Also:
Sohei Ethelon a'Ishial says, "Whats gonna suck is next month me and Jozen are rubbing our curios because this isn't worth it and we control over 300 of the curios out right now."

:(

Sucks for them, since next month they're reducing the rub-to-coin rate drastically.

Ardmore:

Sucks for them, since next month they're reducing the rub-to-coin rate drastically.

He said it ICly; next month = tomorrow.

Oh.

Yes, I do plan to buy. I'm being realistic in how long it will take me to save, collect, and assemble one of these.

The one thing I am just a bit miffed about is that the very first set of curios are nothing more than toys that follow you around and react to one or two things. These new ones at least have benefits and are part of a larger grouping.

Guess what? If you choose not to purchase any of these curios, you're still not really missing out of all that much. There are already a ton of ways to get DMP, enchantment charges, and fast travel.

Mechanical set is by far the best. Oh holy nil that needs a nerf.

Zarquan:

Yes, I do plan to buy. I'm being realistic in how long it will take me to save, collect, and assemble one of these.

The one thing I am just a bit miffed about is that the very first set of curios are nothing more than toys that follow you around and react to one or two things. These new ones at least have benefits and are part of a larger grouping.

Guess what? If you choose not to purchase any of these curios, you're still not really missing out of all that much. There are already a ton of ways to get DMP, enchantment charges, and fast travel.

I'm not sure how realistic you're being, especially once Ethelon and Jozen rub their travel-bits out. Have you completed any yet? That'd help give a better impression of the difficulty.

I'm also fine with the price of the other credit packages. They're reasonable. People were willing to buy them. What I am not fine with is the price of the gold packages just because... I mean, even I feel that they're overpriced, and I've been standing here to watch how many pieces are being sold (to get a feel for the trade-ability in order to be able to complete something).

I'm left with the feeling that on the whole, I'm going to have to spend 18,000,000 gold to get a decent chance at finishing any of my collections (which one will be completely random, based on how many pieces I get and whether anyone else out there invests any gold themselves for trading).

And, well, 18,000,000 gold is not worth completing them. Especially since I already do have fast travel (sandals, deiparousspeed), and I've already completed the other bits I want. What's worse is that I am not the only one who feels this way, which means that there just aren't a ton of pieces out there to trade and will shortly be even fewer.

@Ixion: Where's it go?

Your other curio pieces won't exactly go to waste. You'll be rubbing them, selling them, or trading them, for a while, I suspect. You're in the same boat as everyone else, and people are managing to complete sets, regardless of how impossibly difficult it seems to you. Pony up or go without.

Zarquan:

Your other curio pieces won't exactly go to waste. You'll be rubbing them, selling them, or trading them, for a while, I suspect. You're in the same boat as everyone else, and people are managing to complete sets, regardless of how impossibly difficult it seems to you. Pony up or go without.

Those people are currently relying a lot on people who are about to rub their sets out to beat the end-of-the-month rubbing nerf.

This is also the time when the most curios from the new set will be completed. Previous sets have become harder to trade for now as was said earlier, and this last one will be the hardest of the bunch.

I'm not going to pony up. This means I am going to go without. I am also quite happy to point out just how many other people feel the exact same way, and how this skews the perception of the whole promotion (which, for the first 3 weeks, was "all-out excitement and interest" followed by a bucket of cold water).

I'm also going to be really, really interested in how much luck you have once you actually try to complete a specific set; I'm pretty sure you'll be very surprised with how that goes.

Part of the issue that I am going to have with this is that after the end of August, people won't be buying curios because the rub rate is going to be nerfed. So if you can't trade away your curios now and don't rub by the end of the month, there is no way (unless you get extremely lucky and get 3 daggers from the Wheel) to get your money's worth. At the end of August, I doubt there will be any pieces in circulation.

The way I see it, everyone who isn't done with their curios by the end of the month is pretty SOL.

Edit: And Xenthos hits me with the ninja bat.

I'm just going to do some really rough math here.

There are 18 different sets of curios in each group, with 10 pieces per set.
This means that there are 180 possible curio options for each.
The largest package contains 100 curios.

Now, if you're looking to complete a random set, you don't have to buy as many; buy a package, look for a set for which you got a lot of pieces, and try to locate the rest. If you're looking for a specific set, however, you might only have received one or two pieces from that, and you'll need to get the others from someone else. Further, since it's random, you're going to be getting duplicates (I got 4 lower blades for the saw and the rare, with no other saw pieces in that package).

Note that after this month ends, you (and everyone else) will be paying 300cr per credit 100-piece package, and 9,000,000 gold for the gold one.

Since it's all RNG based, your luck will vary-- but for even a decent shot at completing one specific set you're going to need at least 300 pieces purchased (either by you personally or spread across a lot of other people, for trading purposes). There's going to be a ton of duplication, and there are going to be a few sets that don't get completed in that group of 300 pieces, but there're also going to be complete ones (along with leftover bits from those completed sets).

The real question is: When it's not an initial purchase, and once people like Seryth stop buying credit-based packages to try to fill out others' sets before rubbing them down for lessons & wheel spins (because the coin rate is about to be nerfed), how long will it take even 300 pieces from one group of curios to get purchased by Lusternia's population?

That's why I'm saying I think you're going to have some problems with putting these together. Even if you buy a 10-piece-package and hope to just trade randoms for other people's, you're relying on those other people to be pumping out a combined 900 credits-- assuming they all buy the most efficient value, of course-- on one specific curio type (2700 credits spent total amongst the three credit-packages), and that you're getting lucky with the pieces they grab.

You're also needing approximately 27,000,000 gold to be invested (again assuming the others buy the most efficient packages).

You know, looking at it this way... it makes one wonder just how many credits were spent on the first sets of packages, heh. There were thousands upon thousands of pieces floating around.

Edit: If it wasn't for duplication, 200 would do it, but with duplication you do need more purchased to have a shot at finishing things.

Kudos then to the ones who have put them together and are now benefitting from them. Excellent work!

The only thing more amazing than how much is spent on this game is how much we complain about this game.

I feel like you completely skipped over the part where those people benefited from a lot of others investing the bulk of the money (66%+) to get their returns-- by taking advantage of the opening day trading when there were a lot of other people buying. Though that was more of a possibility with the credit packs.

Like I said, I'm really interested in hearing how you do with your curio set, especially the Travel one. Please don't keep us waiting too long for those updates!

I still don't think this would have been an issue if this set had been on sale like the other sets are. To advertise an artifact sale, have all the previous packages be on sale, and then not include this one? Just doesn't sit quite right.

skaldrafn:

I still don't think this would have been an issue if this set had been on sale like the other sets are. To advertise an artifact sale, have all the previous packages be on sale, and then not include this one? Just doesn't sit quite right.

It would've been less of an issue during initial trading, but once the price went up... good luck with that, for anyone trying to get in later.

I don't really mind it not being on sale, I'd just like it to be priced at a more reasonable level that encourages more people to actually spend, instead of the really small amount of investment happening so far.