Yes, I'll do my best to remember to update you on every exciting moment of my curio collecting, when I do get around to it. You may want to hold your breath, in the meantime.

Zarquan:

Yes, I'll do my best to remember to update you on every exciting moment of my curio collecting, when I do get around to it. You may want to hold your breath, in the meantime.

So you're just talking, instead of participating. I see how it is. You are such a tease. :(

You need some more follow-through!

These are toys. You do not need them. The fact that you're unwilling to pay the asking prices is irrelevant. I sincerely hope the prices do not go down because otherwise it's just another case of the administration caving in to the pressure of a few players.

Zarquan:

These are toys. You do not need them. The fact that you're unwilling to pay the asking prices is irrelevant. I sincerely hope the prices do not go down because otherwise it's just another case of the administration caving in to the pressure of a few players.

Yeah, except that I am pointing out it's way more than a few players. If you were to check in on the wares in stock, you'd see that a whopping 133 curio pieces have sold in the last 15 hours-- and that included 12 hours (half of) the first day of release.

133 curio pieces aren't going to be completing any new sets; basically it helped flesh out the people who had already bought, and those older ones helped the new ones today complete a set or two, but once those hoarders start rubbing the trading partners are gone.

The number sold will also likely just keep going down, too.

Basically: Your argument is, "I am not participating, I'm not spending anything, but people are complaining so they are clearly being unreasonable." If it was complaining for the sake of complaining, with pieces flying off the shelves, you'd have a lot more of a point.

That is not, however, the case.

Your argument is based on opinion and speculation. I would bet your numbers are not so accurate. This whole thing is simply whining over a large gold sink being too large. My opinion is just as valid whether I collect them or not, since not collecting them is a fine option for anyone who feels they're not worth this price.

Perhaps you could accept things as they are once in a while.

Sprocket message... yeah I have a halo now apparently.

A horizontal sprocket winks into being over your head, flickering like an insubstantial, mechanical halo. It ticks a few times, ratcheting steadily forward, before vanishing in sparkling motes of light.

Zarquan:

Your argument is based on opinion and speculation. I would bet your numbers are not so accurate. This whole thing is simply whining over a large gold sink being too large. My opinion is just as valid whether I collect them or not, since not collecting them is a fine option for anyone who feels they're not worth this price.

Perhaps you could accept things as they are once in a while.

Really?

"Hey guy, you put out some math, including incontrovertible statements such as 10*18=180, and that when you have random number generators in the mix you will not get 180 distinct items with zero duplication out of 180 items purchased. Your assertion is inaccurate, but I will not back up my claim in any way."

And then finally...
"My opinion is just as valid whether I collect them or not, since not collecting them is a fine option for anyone who feels they're not worth this price."
So, basically, you feel they're not worth the price (as you are not collecting them, and you've made it pretty clear that the earlier statements expressing a "nebulous desire sometime in the future" were just for the sake of continuing the discussion) while at the same time telling me it's worth the price. Well done.

Xenthos:

I feel like you completely skipped over the part where those people benefited from a lot of others investing the bulk of the money (66%+) to get their returns...

This. I can't deny that I thought I'd have a better chance buying the Penknife Blade from someone for fifty credits (which I kinda spammed the market aether a bit with) than remotely getting it by spending the equivalent gold on the package.

Thanks, guys. ^_^

Anyone got info on the last few areas left? Flower, Mechanical, and Toy? I wanna know now.

You don't know how many curios are floating about. That RNG can be cruel, though.

I do plan to buy curios, maybe only secondhand and maybe years in the future.

People always want things to be cheaper. That's kind of a given. You're still undervaluing what these curios can do for you, and that's where the high price comes from.

So, tell us again how you're not the spoiled kid in the toy store because you can do math.

^RNG? Compared to warrior the curio perceived RNG is laughable. /chuckle

The world briefly flares copper all about you as your hands curl into claws. You bare your teeth as a sudden feeling of intense want and desire washes over you. You shake your head, momentarily, and the feeling slowly passes.

Boa message.

Zarquan:

You don't know how many curios are floating about. That RNG can be cruel, though.

I do plan to buy curios, maybe only secondhand and maybe years in the future.

People always want things to be cheaper. That's kind of a given. You're still undervaluing what these curios can do for you, and that's where the high price comes from.

So, tell us again how you're not the spoiled kid in the toy store because you can do math.

You can easily tell how many curio bits are out there from today (at least an upper range) by walking into the curio shop and typing: WARES.

It's easy!

At that point you just need to add up the packages, and then understand that at least some of those have been rubbed away into nothingness (so there's actually fewer than that from today's supply). For example I know there are less than the 135 currently sold because I watched a lowbie buy some one-piece-packages and then run to the wheel with them (poor lowbie, the spins did not compensate for 150,000 gold per curio, not even close-- not that they would have been anywhere close even if the pieces cost 90k. Paying gold for these packages to spin with is a bit silly).

Further, there's a huge difference between "people always want things to be cheaper" and "people want things to be reasonable". I had been planning on / expecting 5,000,000 gold packages, and I'd have bought at that price. So would others who have since opted out.

PS: Please tell me what celerity in one specific area terrain and a teleport to somewhere when I've already got a Torus, Medallion, Pyramid, Pathfinder Boots, DeiparousSpeed, Trotting, and Winged Sandals does for me. Note that I haven't complained about the cost of any of these, either, because I find them all to be reasonable (well, excepting the medallion as that was free, but whatever).

How am I undervaluing what this set does in any way? The value of what it gives me really is nothing, and yet for collection's sake I'd be willing to pay five million for a package. If anything I am over-valuing it, for myself at least. :P

This last set is honestly worth a lot less than the previous three sets, but it costs a lot more. You can throw out "spoiled" all you want, but it's pretty silly when I'm not clamouring for everything to be reduced, only the stupidly over-priced stuff.

Like, you know, warrior weapon runes should be made useable for multiple weapon sets so you don't have to buy them for each (and so you don't have to buy pliers, too-- making the pliers less valuable).
Gold curios should be reduced in price to be more in line with their counterparts.

And, look at that, that's my list of over-priced artifact gripes!

This curiobix thing, I hear, is pretty neat.

Still have my doubts that your method of counting purhased curio pieces is accurate, but it's not very important to the value of a curio, either way.

Yes, those artifacts and abilities are pretty handy, and with so many of those, you don't have much need of these little curios.

P.S. The administration decides what's reasonable, so you don't have to worry about it. You're allowed to disagree, but you might do so in a more diplomatic fashion.

(Just to leap in here, dingbat arties are a bit overpriced for what they do too)

ANYWAY.

Flower, Mechanical, Toy collection powers go.

Zarquan:


P.S. The administration decides what's reasonable, so you don't have to worry about it. You're allowed to disagree, but you might do so in a more diplomatic fashion.

I dunno, if you were a diplomat from my country, we'd be looking for a new one pretty quick. Just sayin'.

Pricing is very subjective. Wide variations in incomes go hand-in-hand with a wide variety of opinions on what is too expensive. You simply weigh your desire to have something against how difficult it is to acquire and decide if/when it's worthwhile.

Zarquan:

This curiobix thing, I hear, is pretty neat.

Still have my doubts that your method of counting purhased curio pieces is accurate, but it's not very important to the value of a curio, either way.

Yes, those artifacts and abilities are pretty handy, and with so many of those, you don't have much need of these little curios.

P.S. The administration decides what's reasonable, so you don't have to worry about it. You're allowed to disagree, but you might do so in a more diplomatic fashion.

It's neat, sure; it's dubious that it's worth the cost if you're going specifically for it. The previous curios have some items that could worth their price-- but not really all from the same set. You're better off mix-and-matching, unless you're spending a lot (in which case the final reward becomes less 'worth it').

The amount of curios sold does have a pretty significant bearing on value; if there aren't many being sold, it makes an investment by any one person more risky (I'm much more able to complete a set if I buy 50 and 10 other people buy 50 each, rather than me buying 100 and nobody else buying anything at all-- even though I spent twice as much my return on investment is absolutely zilch because I can't complete anything).

Finally, the administration does not decide what is reasonable. They set the price. The players that buy (or refuse to buy) are the ones who actually have the final say on that, and there's not really anything wrong with pointing out a low purchase rate.

Great, Enyalida. I didn't want the job.

The real problem with curios is that 2-3 months out it's going to be basically impossible to complete the set you want without dumping hundreds and hundreds of credits on pieces. So this is basically a permanent advantage that people playing now get on new players.

There are plenty of other things in Lusternia that aren't geared towards new players. This one happens to cost massive sums of gold.