Something I don't understand is why limit players to one collection?. You can say the players will only want one but that is obviously not true. Based upon the posts of players far more knowledgeable than me the game mechanically best curios are the resistance and damage ones. These are already fairly widespread throughout the player base. If there are other considerations beyond taking gold out of the economy, what are they?

My character has about 6.5 million gold. Most of that made from the Wheel. I was prepared to buy a few hundred credits to sell with the feeling that would probably be enough to purchase my usual 2 100 curio packages. Any remainder would go towards starting to build a manse. Now that hasn't happened.

Sojiro:

Even if the admin reduced the price now, certain players would just put this event in the "admin caving to player demands/whining yet again" section of their grudge list. I know I would smile ruefully at least.

It's not fun being admin, heh.

P.S. I am down with nerfing bixes to require full health/mana/ego before working, if not more.

Caving is not necessarily a bad thing. In business you have to adjust to the wants and needs of your customers.

This is a good point Eventru, and I think its worth your effort in repeating. I for one lost sight of these things, even though I know all of them to be true.

But look, sometimes I just wish you would acknowledge, in no uncertain terms, that even if the administration outright disagrees with what the players are saying, that you can AT LEAST see where we are coming from, and never once have I seen such a thread. (I'm happy to edit more of my posts if it turns out that I'm wrong).

I haven't spent a dime of real money on this promotion that I wouldn't have already spent in August, but I'm sure there are people that have. Can you not see the resulting frustration?


If I didn't see the frustration or where you're coming from, I wouldn't bother to reply or try to explain the situation. I make a concerted effort to communicate and understand everyone's opinion on almost every matter (and Xenthos can probably attest to this). I don't have the effort to dig it up, but I think I pretty regularly say "I understand!". I know most of us do. I don't think I've ever sat here and said, "Pah, you're just so wrong you don't even know up from purple!". I don't think any of us have. We didn't become admin and suddenly forget what it was like to be a player. That said, you all can still surprise me from time to time! But I digress.

I don't think I've, at all, said "I don't see your point or your frustration" during this thread. I might disagree with various points of reasoning, I might not agree with the proposed solutions, I may even agree but feel that ultimately the given course is the best (or I'll say "Estarra, I think maybe there's some merit in reconsidering" - and she can take my advice or not, I certainly offer my opinion though). I think when I haven't understood people's points, I've asked for clarification, asked why, what have you. I like to think I make an earnest effort to understand you all!

I've said this before - ultimately when I - or any admin - outright avoid or refuse to address a given topic, it's because it's not my, or any of our, place. By participating in this thread, my greatest hope is to simply reach a point where people aren't foaming-at-the-mouth angry. I'm sure I'll never convince everyone the course is right, but if the angst can be mollified through simple discourse, I hope to do so. We all put a lot of work into things for you guys. As always, things like this are a learning experience. I don't think there's an admin that is active who won't in the future try to avoid the kind of frustrations we've had, and will be quick to point them out.

One thing that amuses me is the self-fullfilling prophecy of saying that nobody will buy the newest curio sets. Keep repeating it and arguing it and you'll be convincing people on the fence not to purchase.

Selling Mechanical full set, which leads to off prime location. 1500cr.

Seems to me that the main sore spot is that the benefits of some of these curios - and particularly the effect for the collection - are too good, based on expectations. If curios are just for the sake of curios, then that is fine. But if all you really want are the effects, then curios turn into these ugly, unpleasant artifacts that require the addition of getting a crapshot of pieces to assemble in the hope that you can actually build what you want, and that's only after you shell out so much to do it with (in which cost is usually the only obstructing factor).

Considering all the different places this whole setup could have gone wrong, I think it's surprising it didn't turn out worse.

If it bothers you, shrug it off and remind yourself that you don't need them. And if it still bothers you, then stop playing for a while. It will be healthy for you, trust me.

If it bothers you, shrug it off and remind yourself that you don't need them. And if it still bothers you, then stop playing for a while. It will be healthy for you, trust me.


Amen.

Seems to me that the main sore spot is that the benefits of some of these curios - and particularly the effect for the collection - are too good, based on expectations. If curios are just for the sake of curios, then that is fine. But if all you really want are the effects, then curios turn into these ugly, unpleasant artifacts that require the addition of getting a crapshot of pieces to assemble in the hope that you can actually build what you want, and that's only after you shell out so much to do it with (in which cost is usually the only obstructing factor).

Considering all the different places this whole setup could have gone wrong, I think it's surprising it didn't turn out worse.

If it bothers you, shrug it off and remind yourself that you don't need them. And if it still bothers you, then stop playing for a while. It will be healthy for you, trust me.


That's not the problem at all, at least from my perspective. I'm not sure how many times I've said that I have no need, nor want for travel curios (maybe once, who knows), and I have a snowglobe, so I don't have much need for another bix that isn't org- or cu-. (though I am admittedly lazy).

Some people just want to collect things, and the current arrangement makes that prohibitively expensive and difficult (if not impossible)

On one hand I was looking forward to completing the 3 sets i was working on. I completed one and have decided not to worry about the others.

On the other hand I spent all the gold I had saved up to do so, so at least for me the gold sink was effective.

And now I get to kill anything with a gold turn in to shore up my finances!

Eventru:

stuff

You're right, my implied accusations were unfair. I just felt that neglecting to mention a price increase on the final group was a poor PR decision, and something I know I personally would have noticed and considered. While I understand the admins' decision to keep promotions and releases under wraps, I feel that improving admin/player dialogue would reduce feelings of antagonism, and improve player responses to new releases.

I'm not asking that you release event, promotion, or skillset details, only that you perhaps give a small teaser on them, some of the key points, before the fact. Both Imperian and Aetolia tend to do so, and I know that I appreciate it.

So to wrap up, I apologize, and hope this makes sense.

This'll be my last post on this. I also think not releasing the price point before hand was not a good idea. I guess a good part of my disappointment is mine to own. I'm no kid anymore but I still love the wheeling and dealing of games with a trading or collectible aspect to them. Part of the fun of this event was not only collecting but helping other people complete their sets. I even gave a significant number of pieces away to people looking for that last bit. Mostly to people from my own org. It just wasn't worth it to me to be able to do that this round.

package62667: a package containing one travel curio 97 150000gp
package63255: a package containing five travel curios 100 750000gp
package65740: a package containing ten travel curios 100 1350000gp
package66376: a package containing twenty-five travel 100 3000000gp
package60626: a package containing fifty travel curio 100 5250000gp
package68327: a package containing one-hundred travel 100 9000000gp

:(

The sky is falling! Run for your lives!

Zarquan:

The sky is falling! Run for your lives!

As far as successful promotions go... yeah, it is. Good analogy; I appreciate your support!

Thanks for all the hard work everyone put into these. Except Eventru- slacker. Sorry giant whiners, myself usually being one of them, put a damper on things.

...I might buy my first curio piece now, after reading through all of this delicious angst.

I find the price of the travel curios to be rather high for my budget, but I'm still going to try and finish one. I also don't consider it to have ruined the entire promotion or taken away the enjoyment I got putting together my other curios, or the fun of having them in general.

I think all the collections have different activation messages too. Awesome!

Did the curio rubbing nerf happen yet, or is it at the end of the sale?

Pretty sure Estarra mentioned on facebook it would be next month so ie after the sale.