eritheyl:

AureolinAubade
If you want to be able to lust on demand, allow it, if you want to be controversial make it a special syntax usable without refrain. I dont have a good example so lets use a bad one "AUBADE " They see: "Eritheyl gazes at you deeply, almost peering into your very soul. As she looks away you feel yourself more enamoured than before." My thought was to allow you to be like 1p or 2p and make them unable to reject for X seconds, but after some thought I think that might play out for people very poorly as it makes them unable to then stop what the bard does (and makes for scary empress setups).
- I'm sort of liking this idea, but doubt it will get very far. Someone else once suggested that: if the target is already lusted when the effect procs again, it lengthens the eq loss on the next reject. Not something I'm going 'wowomg' over, but I may tinker with it a bit.

...also I am male.

Not a fan of longer reject balance/being unable to reject for x seconds. 10 seconds on average off balance at times(for me) is already a pain.

Sure you are, and Eventru isn't a troll.

Here's a thought. What if Aubade were to alter the effect of the bard's love potion, by either increasing the chances (proc rate, I guess) of lusting the opponent OR removing/lessening the chance of the opposite effect (bard lusted to target)?

Xenthos:

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I'm not sure you actually read / understood my post.

You use it on an ally to get them into a protected area that you cannot normally walk into. Like the hamster / reality. Since you can't even buy the hamster any more, and the hamster is limited to one use per month... it's actually really good in that respect.

Ha, I did misunderstand. Sorry about that.

But I'm not sure this reasoning is any better. I don't see letting somone port me into a random location where I would be stunned aeoned and possibly in a room full of god realm mobs, guards or any number of any crazy messed up situations.

Would certainly be faster than a hamster though.

Loralaria having two insanely situational targeted high stanza powers is fairly limiting. The healing one is pending a report so that might get fixed.

Wish I had an idea for convergance but nothing reasonable has come to mind so far.

There was a report for Convergence brewing aaages ago, when we were still a baby baby guild. Still an active ability, but a bit more...true to the name.

Comparable to Moon Conclave, would summon mutual allies (and possibly lusted enemies as well) within the same area to the bard.

Possible restrictions:
- Short buildup (5s or so) before the summon takes place, so it isn't just a beefy multi-Empress in regards to lusted enemies
- 1p cost per ally and 2p cost per lusted enemy summoned, so the bard runs the risk of dumping all of their on-hand power/leaving some allies behind when trying to regroup in large fights

EDIT: Okay, giving in and taking LoralAria to its own thread so the Minstrels won't have to wade through all of this clutter!

So i put all the skills for the two guilds in a spreadsheet and went through them pretty carefully.

First lolaria, there are two big problems here. They are the low stanzas and the high stanzas.
CrimsonCourante is very situational, and not really desirable. This means they have no choice as for their low stanzas here.
Sleep for bards with no real way to take advantage of it is bleh at best.

I would say change BlueBerceuse to reduce cold dmp of enemies by 10 or 5 cold and 5 asphyx, and give chills or chance for chills if gemmed.

There are too many high stanza targeted or power using songs. Included two that outright end the song.

Change convergance to a normal power and make it give allies who can hear a boost in summon resistance.

Minstrelry suffers most in the mid stanzas. Also, strange trip not doing anything is irksome.

Give strangetrip a 50% chance to give one of, weakness, confusion or dizziness.

Make cabaret a lvl 1 balance or eq malus. People are distracted by the music.

Boom, everything fixed.

*drops mic and walks off stage*

Reducing DMP would be alright for damage kills, but how would it contribute to Funebre/Soulless?

Removing the sleep, as crappy as it is, would leave us with maybe-aeon and hope-for-damage-out...which is essentially where we already are. There's a middle ground somewhere, it's just VERY sneaky.

I have to object to the eq/bal malus idea. This would increase time off balance too, which is not something we need to see more of in Gaudiguch.

I am also adverse to giving passive confusion, that is a really really powerful affliction. In a guild that can cause eq loss passively.

Taking into account the comments made so far, here is an updated version of the Minstrelry side of the report. The new additions are bolded.

Skill: StrangeTrip
Problem: There is a bit of redundancy with a skill that does nothing but get enemies high and nothing further. The state of being high itself does nothing but cause a flavourful bit of spam that's easily gagged and opens up effects from other abilities.

Solution #1: Combine the effects of StrangeTrip and PurpleHaze so that affected enemies will be made high, and if already high, afflicted with PurpleHaze's pool of afflictions.

Solution #2: In addition to its current effect of afflicting with high 100% of the time, add a 50% chance to afflict with one of the following: dizziness, epilepsy, weakness, or stupidity.

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Skill: PurpleHaze
Problem: With the possibility of StrangeTrip being combined with PurpleHaze, PurpleHaze itself becomes a skill that needs its own effects. In the hopes of retaining PurpleHaze's hallucinatory flavour (and maybe adding to the limited utility of Minstrelry), the following ideas are presented for consideration:

Solution #1: Have PurpleHaze generate an illusion on the regular music tic that affects enemied individuals. This illusion is pre-set by the bard, much like an embedded hallucinations mote is designated by a Dreamweaver.

Solution #2: Have PurpleHaze spread confusing clouds across a room's exits, giving unblind (unblind, so that this better benefits Glamourists) enemies a chance of walking through the haze and returning right back to the room they were initially trying to escape.

-NOTE: If the second solution regarding StrangeTrip is chosen instead of combining the effects of it and PurpleHaze, then PurpleHaze would retain its usability and find no need to be altered.

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Skill: Cabaret
Problem: When compared to the StarHymn's Low-stanza Processional, Minstrelry's Mid-Stanza Cabaret is far outshined even with its higher assignation. Cabaret itself regenerates mana and ego akin to Perfection and Beauty enchantment levels. Processional, however, not only regenerates health, mana, endurance, AND willpower, but does so at stronger levels than Cabaret itself.

Solution #1: In addition to its current effect, have it drain an equivalent amount of mana and ego from affected enemies. Possibly more if enemies are high.

Solution #2: In addition to its current effect, have it incur a level one balance/equilibrium malus on affected enemies.

Solution #3: Strengthen the potency of the current effect by increasing the mana/ego regeneration and/or adding health/willpower/endurance to the pool.

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Skill: YaikoYaiko
Problem: Minstrels themselves cannot cause the temporary insanity needed to incur the mana/ego drain of the ability.

Solution #1: Alter YaikoYaiko to drain enemy mana/ego naturally, raising the amount if enemies are already suffering from temporary insanity.

Solution #2: Have YaikoYaiko cause a slight amount of temporary insanity itself, to activate the mana/ego drain of the ability.

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Skill: CanCan
Problem: Unlike other force abilities (Dominate, Pooka, etc.) which a caster can use to cause enemy A to attack enemy B, and have enemy A incur the damaging effects of enemy B's defenses (like PhantomArmour, UnholyWater, Aeromancy raise staff, etc.), Cancan causes the caster to experience the negative effects of enemy B instead of enemy A who actually caused the damage. Ie. if my Cancan causes Bob to hit someone with UnholyWater, I incur UnholyWater's effects instead of Bob who did the hit.

Solution #1: Have those who deal damage to another through Cancan incur the negative effects of damaging their target instead of the Minstrel, putting Cancan on par with other force abilities. Ie. in the example above, have Bob incur UnholyWater's effects instead of me.

Solution #2: As per envoy comments, instead of redirecting the negative consequences from the Minstrel to the source of the kick, just outright negate the consequences from affecting either of the two parties.

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Edit: Added in YaikoYaiko.

Still opposed to the eq/bal malus song Viy.

1) It is gaudiguch, more balance loss is not needed and
2) This song would effect cancan, which could add up to another second of balance loss.

As an update and a bit of clarification for folk: the solutions written for Cabaret and YaikoYaiko are specifically tailored to encourage the damage output of a Glamourist Minstrel using aurics to kill.

This report and some version of the Loralaria report are due to be sent on Friday or so, so be sure to read both threads!

The latest report looks fine with me.

The Minstrel song is already fairly good at hindering. Timewarp (as caused by LoralAria) has little benefit in and of itself. I don't have any issue with Symphonium causing it. Minstrels causing TempInsanity though... Gaudi really doesn't need another source of command rejection, as things are. I'd be fine with YaikoYaiko causing base damage, and more with TempInsanity, but I'm not ok with it causing TempInsanity.

I have to agree that fubling from drunkeness plus temp insanity is too much.

I think temp insanity was left out for a reason.

I'm submitting this report with a last bulletpoint regarding concerns before the weave today, so you have an hour or two left for last comments!

Report submitted before the weave now, with an added blip about the concerns raised. It's all in Iosai's hands at this point in time, so stay tuned!