Xenthos2012-09-12 01:43:53
Asmodea:
Isn't Pheramones 100% chance to lust with no side effects or conditions other than a locked channel?
Pretty sure it does not stack with Love potion (you get one or the other).
It's also way too strong; Envoys have tried to nerf it before.
Sidd2012-09-12 01:52:19
a guranteed 4 sec offeq every 20 seconds is pretty absurd (not to mention it can happen every 10 secs if you get real unlucky), in combination with love is just too much, that's why I argued to make it 15% in the first place when the report went through the first time around. I'd say no to this
Xiel2012-09-12 05:36:41
Busy day today, though I feel the need to voice my support that guaranteed lust every 10s is ridiculous. This, in addition to the proposal to introduce passive stun on top of the already existing passive prone, off balance, and sleep is just far too much. And then sleep attrition?
This report is leaning too far, in which it would indeed make Glamours Symphonists viable, but Tarot Symphonists would be broken. Slow it down.
This report is leaning too far, in which it would indeed make Glamours Symphonists viable, but Tarot Symphonists would be broken. Slow it down.
Unknown2012-09-12 06:40:13
I'm agreed that passive stun is not something that should be added as a bard song effect. And that I was going a bit overboard with the 100% lust rate. If I were doing this report, I would do:
-Increase AureolinAubade's chance for lusting unblind targets to 50%.
-Change FleckedFortissimo to hit at the same time as VioletVibrato/RedRubato.
-Change VioletVibrato to have a non-kombu cured affliction. I recomend swapping omniphobia for 1-2 of .
-Change Convergence to be a 5p, song-ending effect that summons everyone in the local area that has you allied/lusted.
-Add some kind of cloudy terrain effect as a High stanza.
-Maybe add some kind of thing that makes gemstones last longer (ticking faster would be OP for rubies and diamonds) to mirror the angelsong/demonsong/faesong effects.
-Leave SkySforzando alone.
-Increase AureolinAubade's chance for lusting unblind targets to 50%.
-Change FleckedFortissimo to hit at the same time as VioletVibrato/RedRubato.
-Change VioletVibrato to have a non-kombu cured affliction. I recomend swapping omniphobia for 1-2 of .
-Change Convergence to be a 5p, song-ending effect that summons everyone in the local area that has you allied/lusted.
-Add some kind of cloudy terrain effect as a High stanza.
-Maybe add some kind of thing that makes gemstones last longer (ticking faster would be OP for rubies and diamonds) to mirror the angelsong/demonsong/faesong effects.
-Leave SkySforzando alone.
Xiel2012-09-12 07:48:36
Alright, I've finally found time to sit down and stare at the possibilities of Loralaria currently, and agree that a few changes should be made to not only streamline killing as a Tarot-using Symphonist, but make killing as a Glamourist Symphonist possible too (which is also one of the topics being addressed for the Minstrelry side of the report).
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BlueBerceuse:
Problem: BlueBerceuse is a step short of being a full boon to Tarot Symphonists who benefit the most from the sleep-focus of the ability.
Solution #1: In addition to BlueBerceuse causing damage to those already asleep, have the ability also strip kafe.
AureolinAubade:
Problem: As it currently is, the benefits of AuerolinAubade are nigh negligible to be of any use. Without pushing it over the edge, and to make it useful for both Tarot and Glamours Symphonists, the following is suggested so that it is always useful:
Solution #1: Alter AureolinAubade from the current 15% chance to lust and pacify if gemmed, to 100% pacify and 20-25% chance to lust if gemmed.
CrimsonCourante:
Problem: Though useful in terms of utility, CrimsonCourante sees no use combatively because of its equilibrium malus limitation.
Solution #1: Change CrimsonCourante's current gemmed effect to one which negates the equilibrium malus rather than boosts the balance bonus.
FleckedFortissimo:
Problem: Loralaria is very stacked in the Mid-stanza, leading to a bottlenecking of abilities there that find rare instances of use and a lack of viable abilities in the High-range where only two passive abilities could be beneficial to the Symphonist. As well, Loralaria, as a whole, is not largely supportive of Glamours users, and so this solution is proposed.
Solution #1: Because the more likely gemmed BlueBerceuse renders ungemmed FleckedFortissimo useless, move FleckedFortissimo to the High stanza and change its current effect to a noticeable drain on mana, ego, and endurance. Preferably, enough endurance drain to encourage longer sleeps, but not enough to make standing in a room for 30s with them to be disgusting. If gemmed, FleckedFortissimo negates passive regeneration of mana, ego and endurance.
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The above proposal was sketched to support the sleep-focus of the Tarot-users and the damage-focus of the Glamourists. In counting, Loralaria currently has around four passive effects in the Low-range, five in the Mid-range, and two in the High range. The proposal would hopefully not only shift that bottleneck of abilities over, but change things so that specific combinations would be chosen for Tarot Symphonists and other combinations would be used by Glamours Symphonists.
Ideally, for a Tarot-user in solo combat, they would use:
Low:
BlueBerceuse (gemmed for double sleep)
AureolinAubade (passive pacify)
CrimsonCourante (gemmed for balance bonus but no equilibrium malus)
Mid:
MidnightMinuet (passive off-balance)
VioletVibratto (passive afflictions)
ChromaConcerto (DMP)
High:
EmeraldGrazioso (passive curing)
FleckedFortissimo (endurance drain)
RedRubato (damage+affliction) interchanged with SkySforzando (gemmed for double-aeon)
This mix encourages longer sleeps with an endurance drain and stripped kafe and added defensibility with passive pacify/prone/off balance/DMP while building rubs for the Soulless.
For a Glamours-user, the following is theorycrafted:
Low:
BlueBerceuse (gemmed for double sleep)
AureolinAubade (gemmed for passive lust and pacify)
JadeGrazioso (health regen)
Mid:
MidnightMinuet (passive off-balance)
VioletVibrato (passive afflictions)
Crescendo (damage boost)
High:
FleckedFortissimo (passive mana/ego drain and gemmed for negated regen)
RedRubato (damage+affliction)
EmeraldGrazioso (passive curing)
This mix capitalizes on the damage output of a Glamourist by encouraging boosted effects with Crescendo and incurring passive drains with the new FleckedFortissimo that amplifies the effects of aurics in Octave.
-NOTE: Something should be tested though, to determine whether or not it needs to be added to report. Namely, whether or not the Symphonist gets a line stating AureolinAubade has successfully lusted someone, rather than just pacifying them. If this isn't the case, then it would have to be added to the report.
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Things not particularly addressed are the things that would be nice to have, but not actual deterrents to killing as a Symphonist. So things like VioletVibrato afflictions, Convergence, and a new cloudy terrain song haven't been looked at in-depth, yet. This doesn't mean others couldn't find the time to look at those abilities in particular, but I think those can go through the regular process instead of the special report.
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BlueBerceuse:
Problem: BlueBerceuse is a step short of being a full boon to Tarot Symphonists who benefit the most from the sleep-focus of the ability.
Solution #1: In addition to BlueBerceuse causing damage to those already asleep, have the ability also strip kafe.
AureolinAubade:
Problem: As it currently is, the benefits of AuerolinAubade are nigh negligible to be of any use. Without pushing it over the edge, and to make it useful for both Tarot and Glamours Symphonists, the following is suggested so that it is always useful:
Solution #1: Alter AureolinAubade from the current 15% chance to lust and pacify if gemmed, to 100% pacify and 20-25% chance to lust if gemmed.
CrimsonCourante:
Problem: Though useful in terms of utility, CrimsonCourante sees no use combatively because of its equilibrium malus limitation.
Solution #1: Change CrimsonCourante's current gemmed effect to one which negates the equilibrium malus rather than boosts the balance bonus.
FleckedFortissimo:
Problem: Loralaria is very stacked in the Mid-stanza, leading to a bottlenecking of abilities there that find rare instances of use and a lack of viable abilities in the High-range where only two passive abilities could be beneficial to the Symphonist. As well, Loralaria, as a whole, is not largely supportive of Glamours users, and so this solution is proposed.
Solution #1: Because the more likely gemmed BlueBerceuse renders ungemmed FleckedFortissimo useless, move FleckedFortissimo to the High stanza and change its current effect to a noticeable drain on mana, ego, and endurance. Preferably, enough endurance drain to encourage longer sleeps, but not enough to make standing in a room for 30s with them to be disgusting. If gemmed, FleckedFortissimo negates passive regeneration of mana, ego and endurance.
---
The above proposal was sketched to support the sleep-focus of the Tarot-users and the damage-focus of the Glamourists. In counting, Loralaria currently has around four passive effects in the Low-range, five in the Mid-range, and two in the High range. The proposal would hopefully not only shift that bottleneck of abilities over, but change things so that specific combinations would be chosen for Tarot Symphonists and other combinations would be used by Glamours Symphonists.
Ideally, for a Tarot-user in solo combat, they would use:
Low:
BlueBerceuse (gemmed for double sleep)
AureolinAubade (passive pacify)
CrimsonCourante (gemmed for balance bonus but no equilibrium malus)
Mid:
MidnightMinuet (passive off-balance)
VioletVibratto (passive afflictions)
ChromaConcerto (DMP)
High:
EmeraldGrazioso (passive curing)
FleckedFortissimo (endurance drain)
RedRubato (damage+affliction) interchanged with SkySforzando (gemmed for double-aeon)
This mix encourages longer sleeps with an endurance drain and stripped kafe and added defensibility with passive pacify/prone/off balance/DMP while building rubs for the Soulless.
For a Glamours-user, the following is theorycrafted:
Low:
BlueBerceuse (gemmed for double sleep)
AureolinAubade (gemmed for passive lust and pacify)
JadeGrazioso (health regen)
Mid:
MidnightMinuet (passive off-balance)
VioletVibrato (passive afflictions)
Crescendo (damage boost)
High:
FleckedFortissimo (passive mana/ego drain and gemmed for negated regen)
RedRubato (damage+affliction)
EmeraldGrazioso (passive curing)
This mix capitalizes on the damage output of a Glamourist by encouraging boosted effects with Crescendo and incurring passive drains with the new FleckedFortissimo that amplifies the effects of aurics in Octave.
-NOTE: Something should be tested though, to determine whether or not it needs to be added to report. Namely, whether or not the Symphonist gets a line stating AureolinAubade has successfully lusted someone, rather than just pacifying them. If this isn't the case, then it would have to be added to the report.
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Things not particularly addressed are the things that would be nice to have, but not actual deterrents to killing as a Symphonist. So things like VioletVibrato afflictions, Convergence, and a new cloudy terrain song haven't been looked at in-depth, yet. This doesn't mean others couldn't find the time to look at those abilities in particular, but I think those can go through the regular process instead of the special report.
Xiel2012-09-13 20:23:35
Don't forget to comment! The Minstrelry report is definitely going to be submitted tomorrow night, Friday, and unless something compelling comes up, this version of the Loralaria report will too.
Unknown2012-09-13 22:20:01
Yeah sure, I have no problem with Viynain's version of things, though I'd like a cloudy terrain song idea too.
Xiel2012-09-14 21:17:44
I'm submitting this report with a last bulletpoint regarding concerns before the weave today, so you have an hour or two left for last comments!
Unknown2012-09-14 21:25:42
Is looking good. My only real concerns are with regards to yet more bedtime combat. I thought we were trying to move away from that? That aside, the report looks very solid and certainly addresses the most important issues.
Xiel2012-09-14 23:07:11
Report submitted before the weave now, with an added blip about the concerns raised. It's all in Iosai's hands at this point in time, so stay tuned!
Eritheyl2012-09-16 00:11:50
Looks good, thanks for submitting while I was unable!
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