I'm afraid I have to go with Magnagora for the most raw, desturctive and magical power as well as resources at their command.

I also agree about the Serenwilde's internal problems...

Yepyep...Magnagora it is. Even though I'm biased towards Celest, Magnagora still can't be denied at the moment. I thought the misweave about Dairuchi was a serious pain, but then again, they did win it fair and square afterwards all the same. They're much more organised than anyone else for whatever reason. And I have no idea how they got that much power. 0_o

I really hate topics like this, which is why I'm not voting. I'm not going to vote, but it's Magnagora for sure. Doesn't mean the rest have potential, but that's the way it is. Whomever mentioned it, Magnagora does indeed have unpleasant sorts beyond the "evil" you would expect of a power like that. A number of trigger-happy types who joined just to ruin other people's experiences.

Hasn't happened to me and I can't name any off-hand, but Magnagora is the type of place that would attract that sort of person.

Magnagora and Celest are both pretty well organised. Serenwilde needs to get its act together since I've seen a lot of people leaving there recently. Their nexus is vastly underpowered from what I heard (might have changed since, I don't know).

Celest and Mangagora are forced to be organised to keep up with each other. Serenwilde sitting on the sideline needs to participate a bit more maybe. Have more of a reason to keep up with the cities.

I still say this whole "evil" and "good" thing doesn't have to be looked at.. Its one form of empire vs another. A culture of life and a culture of death. And serenwilde doesn't have to become involved untill someone forces them too. They are self sufficient they should be allowed to feel so.

Well what I'd like to see is a genuine three-on-three. Serenwilde's main attitude is "against the cities". They need to do something... anything... that persuades them to keep up more with the cities. Yesterday I think we had four Serenwildes join Celest? At least. Complained of no proper organisation there... As soon as Serenwilde is organised more and seems to have better overall goals... I'm packing my bags... *grins*

*laugh* I had someone trying to convince me not to judge the cities all harshly because of the trigger-happy Magnagorans and my public post. I found it quite amusing to tell her I had no reason or wish to trust Celestians either, as both cities had been recently responsible for the taint. I wish certain others would remember these things, sometimes.

When the villages reset, Serenwilde had 1, Magnagora 1.

So we off and get Rockholm. Good, good.

Me: "What village next?"
Everyone: "We shouldn't be greedy, that's being like cities, we should consolidate what we have or we'll just lose it."
Me: " ."

Celest gets one, Magnagora the rest.

Whomever said that, Flow, probably didn't realize the importance of the villages and the power they give. The only problem I see with taking all those villages is that you've got to defend them for the next year or so.

I can see that Serenwilde is off to a slower start than the cities, but Nature has been around for a long time and it's built to last for the duration. Once they get going, they'll be a force to be reckoned.

Voted for Magnagora. No need to explain, heh

*looks at eyes from Celest*

What?

Exactly. Alignment is irrelevant in the proceedings: the only thing that matters is who is amassing the most power, regardless of their motives for doing so, whether to stop or spread the Taint.

And, Flow, I think the attitude you recieved from Serenwilde is one of the prime reasons they're currently doing so badly. The Magnagoran approach is to steadily swoop across, take all the villages, and both defend and build them up gradually. The Serenwilde are - if your quote is accurate - apparently dwelling one village and building it up. The result is one overpowered village, well-defended but adding little to the economy or their nexus.

You should have heard my OOC reaction when Bau was told that we were not going to be greedy. Rockholm has become more useful since its influence, but... gods, the amount of work I have had to do out of Angkrag and Southgard... our commune store has been a lot of work.

New Celest is generally weaker than Magnagora because everyone has an opinion in Celest, and we often don't have anyone stepping up to order everyone around when we desperately need it. Lately more people have been taking leadership roles, myself included, because it has been getting ridiculous how scattered we are at crucial moments.

New Celest also won't go around and kill everything in a village. The advantage of being Magnagoran is that you can do basically whatever you want because you can just explain it by saying you're "evil," so running around and killing every NPC in a village is no problem, whereas in Celest we won't do that (at least for the non-undead villages)

Not to mention, Magnagora is pretty much guaranteed two villages.

It is just... easier to roleplay as an evil person, as there are many people who would rather go around slaughtering everyone (they even have MUD's dedicated to simple slaughter over and over, as you all know) instead of being the beneficiary and healer.

I'm really disappointed that I haven't met any manipulative evil people, or anything... it's all just KILL KILL KILL evil.

Celest is pretty much just a mass of people sitting there, we don't really roleplay anything at all for some reason... though some of us try to get people to start doing it. Our CT consists of stupid OOC conversations or huge arguments over pointless subjects, and never really has any roleplaying aspect whatsoever. Oh, and I can't forget all the moaning about Magnagora constantly. Roleplaying doesn't take place much anywhere, it's all just neutral stuff that could be IC or could be OOC. Or it's just blatantly OOC

So Celest could potentially be just as powerful as Magnagora but honestly unless people start roleplaying right nothing is gonna start happening. Nobody is in the mindset that Celest is a RELIGIOUS NATION, most Celestians are in the mindset that Celest is AMERICA.

So I really hate it when people are like 'lets go free so and so, and they can think however they want, we're all individuals and we can do whatever and be nice people yaaay!" We're SUPPOSED to be zealots practically! Nobody roleplays about the Light. Even celestines and paladins.

Nobody is really doing anything in my opinion, except trying to not get killed by Magnagora and thus we have some strange roleplay situation where Magnagora is killy people, Celest is like a little rabbit being chased by Magnagora, and Serenwilde is ... uhh... nothing at all?

So I think all THREE of the cities are weak. There!

There is much more motive behind a Magnagoran who kills villagers in my mind than you would afford to it. Consider an Orclach Ur'Guard....to him/her the highest honor is to be reborn in undeath.....so to kill a citizen is to afford them the opportunity to be given the highest honor. Consider further that the Necromancer users have Carrion and that it is merely a method of getting food, Serenwilders and others forage, technically if you eat an acorn you just killed an oak tree so? We aren't evil, for the Gods' Sakes, I have been fighting that forever now. As for manipulative/non-combatant Magnagorans, the only time I fight is when I start getting summoned by Celestians....when that happens, of course I am going to fight. Otherwise, I am a pretty terrible fighter and would prefer to stick to research and roaming about slaying things in Glomdoring in peace.

Good thing Serenwilde isn't a city then, eh?

We do argue too much... it's just so circular... point a, b, c, d, e, a, a, b, c, d, a, c, e, e... you get the idea.

Edit: And we do not climb the trees, we search for fallen nuts... I've never seen foraging as more than checking the ground of the area, really.

Who said anything about climbing trees?

In order to take it from the tree... they're not generally arm height, specially if you are faeling.

Ahh! I was under the impression that foraging was looking for fallen nuts and the like...hmm, learn something new everyday.

That's what I thought... hence you're not killing anything...

Yes you are....an acorn, if planted has the potential to grow into an oak tree, does it not? So, by eating it, you have severred the posibility for that acorn to become something more in life...don't make me get into a discussion on bodily fluids by saying that there is only a chance of it though and not a guarantee.

You have not killed, you have removed the potential for life. Eating grain, eggs, etc does the same.