Celest is now using totems to check the loyalty of people, according to one of my highly placed paladin spies..

Go go metagaming

Visaeris the kingpin, hard at work.

Anyone thought of this? Say you and some OOC friends want to keep easy contact with each oterh while in teh game, so you make a private clan and use that. Then comes along Random Totem Guy # 5, who sees this private clan,a nd says hmmm, lets find out who's in there. They can then set up a totem in a well traversed place, say, Bob's, and bam, these random people, who have nothign to do with Random Totem Guy #5, are suddenly being attacked by this totem.

How in any way does this totem know who thes epeople are, if Random Totem Guy #5 doesn't even have the simplest clue, and just wants to F them over? This would make no sense at all, in any way at all.

Some one said that it can be though of how Glomdoring knows it's being attacked and attacks back. Well in your stated example, the person has to attack first, and then the place defends itself. The totem doesn't get attacked first, it just sees the person, and assualts them, no matter if they are merely walking by having done nothing at all.

And it was mentioned how wiretaps, and satelites, etc are used to find out spies. This is a horrible example. These things dont' just automatically know who these people are! They are placed upon suspected people, and give information that helps to discover who they are! They have to be known about in the first place to be placed upon, and then they have to use these tools to aqqire information that would reveal their identiy, not just automatically know and then trace.

Totems can only be raised in Serenwilde, and cost a fair bit of effort and power. You'll never see them at Bob's.

Statues you might, but they can be destroyed pretty much instantly by anyone skilled in Arts. Well, except for the ones in Dairuchi.

Bob's was just a random example, especially since I dont' knwo much overall about totems. But I was just tryign to make a point that it's messed up.

How about altering my situation to say that all these people were part of the Serenwilde. They could likely hyen pass by some fequented spot, and be found out. It just doesn't seem right to be that way at all.

In retrospect, I think it slightly ruins RP. It would be cool if some members from DoC joined Serenwilde and pretended to support us, but were double-dealing with Visaeris and Glomdoring.

Metagaming will always exist. The only point where it should be combated is where the metagaming is done in such a way as to attempt to subvert administrative policy, such as was the case with Spirokai and his ilk for a time. Otherwise, simply by making the choice of taking a high-int race for a Mage class is of itself a form of metagaming, and trying to stop people from doing that is laughable. Lusternia is a world, to be sure, but it's also a game. The laws that exist therein are self-contained and, therefore, should be treated in much the same way as the laws of our world (talking things like physical laws of nature, not laws of man). They are to be obeyed, but used to the best possible extent.

You don't think we have some already?

GASP. But if you were, wouldn't the totems kind of hinder you, if they're tuned against DoC members?

EDIT: Fabled, finally. 300 posts. Now I can go sleep.

You can be dealing with DoC and not an actual member, to bypass totems.

I just think it's sad that people can be found out so easilly: it undermines the spy-type RP.

If you set totems to hit the Black Market, you'd start seeing people from every organization in it. What's the point of having a private clan then?

I have eyes everywhere. Spies everywhere. If you can set up an item to figure that out, well then... psh...

Why use spies...I can paraphrase it for you.

Person A posts something
Person B posts about how misled and misinformed Person A is
Friend of Person A posts about how stupid Person B is
Person C (someone like me or the others who have done it) posts about how dumb this argument is and how we should all get along
Person A responds to person B
(add in about 50 posts supporting Person A and Person B

....calmness....until the next argument than repeat all the steps above.

It doesn't ruin roleplay. ICly it's assumed totems etc can somehow see if a persons part of a group. It's always been this way in IRE games. It's forcing you to not be part of the clan officially, to get around it. If you're determined enough to be a spy, you should be working outside the clan anyway.

Not nessecarily.

Alyvia made a good point that no one picked up on: DoC can be tuned against in part because DoC is so visible, so public. Its member list is private but the clan itself is very public. Make a clan and don't give away that the clan even exists or what its name is, and people can't tune a totem against it. If you want to be secret, be secret; if you want to be public, expect this to limit your secrecy.

Good point there.

Yes, but if I recall correctly... just HONOURS Visaeris.


...hey! It says
blah blah blah clanhead of "The Disciples of Crow"!


...hm.
*enemy The Disciples of Crow*