I hate no player, what I hate is this unneccesary mess. There was no purpose in this thread other then to influence IC actions through OOC means. Fain made it perfectly clear at the time of the event that the Divines were very unhappy with what occured. The opening of this thread was pointless in light of that fact alone.

The wonton slaughter I see is abhorant. I will be addressing the Guardsmen that went against my orders, and hopefully see to it that it stops, no matter how traitorous Guido's acts are.

Visaeris on the other hand, has nothing to complain of, his constant war and slaughter in the Commune lead to most of this in the first place. It is pride that lead to the Communes extreme hate for you and your followers Visaeris, your pride and insistance on attacking us. Had you stopped, had you not given yourself a name that is looked at with distain, you would probably not have the issues with the attacks that you do now.

I am not condoning them in any way. The Guard WILL learn self control, and they will learn that slaughter is useless, I wont let them fall to the level of some in the realms.

Augh, you've all blown this bigger than I intended. I specifically made it clear that I was only angry with a handful of Serenwilders; and as for the bug abuse, that isn't even the main focus of this topic, really. I think that's been settled.

I didn't post this to beg the Wilders to stop attacking; it seems many of you are putting words into my mouth. I just wanted to get my thoughts out, clear some things up, discuss it, and put forward my greivances with how many players are handling this.

Really, it seems those Serenwilders I made mention of are just hungry for someone to kill. He took power! He's on the side of crow! KEEL HIM! Guess what, you guys are on the side of White Hart, enemy of Crow, but we aren't touching you. Hmmm.

"Think about it, OOCly, and adjust your IC behavior." - Akhenaten

Exactly. They need to step back, look at my list of offenses...

(Stealing 150 power)
(Joining Crow)

...and wonder whether that is a worthy reason for gleefully butchering me. If you are so paranoid about your forest, Serenwilde, then slaughter every single person who chops down a tree or taints a room /10/ times, because I haven't done so much as raise a finger. The Power has already been settled; a fine has been placed on me, and I am banned from the Forest until it is paid. Simple.

... if someone shouted such a comment, make sure to use the in character means to report said player, namely issue. As this is a forum for ooc discussion about the game, we won't act on things we learn here. As for bug abuse, it doesn't matter if it's reported, continued use of it will be most severely punished. Make sure to notify the admins if you notice any bug abuse as soon as possible so there's a time frame in which can be ascertained when said player understood it was a bug.

Ok so let me go ahead and try and comprehend this gargantuan bubble of stupidity.

So I acted against your commune... Ok, yes.. And then I stopped.. Ok, yes...

So that justifies spamkilling Guido over and over and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and over and over when combined with the fact that he ZOMG TOOK POWER.

Fine, kill him a few times. Total. But don't keep killing him, that's just pathetic. Serenwilde is proving that it really is nothing but thugs.

I do belive it was only over and over and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and over.

I think you exaterdated too much.

oh right. I stand corrected

Hey, we're not all thugs. I really think those who acted took it too far.

Well, I never said you all were. You're just led by thugs

7 thugs out of 100

How convenient for the rest of you...

Right, it was only over and over and over and over and over, and let's tack a couple bonus 'over's on for the numerous threats and fines. You still exaggerated, though, Visaeris.



Also, as I said in my public post, most of those involved with my deaths hold leadership positions, some quite high; that makes them representitive of the Wilde as a whole, even more so than any other member.

Seriously, if someone acts, it reflects on their superiors. If there's two cities, and a loyal of one city kills a loyal of the other city, the leadership of the guilty loyal is held responsible for the act of the murderer, they cannot say: "I didn't do it! It was just one of my denizens!"...if there's two kingdoms, and the queen of one kingdom is murdered by a denizen of the other kingdom, it means war. That's part of being a leader, everything your loyals do reflects on to you, as if you've done it yourself, as if the entire city has done it. If they can't keep their denizens on a leash, it's their own fault, they take the consequences.

for example: If Visaeris raids the villages of Celest, Magnagora can't say that it's just an individual that raids, not the city, that's complete :censor:, it's the leadership of Magnagora that takes the consequences of Visaeris' actions. If Serenwilders murder someone over and over without any decent reason, it's not just those individuals, it's the leadership that allows it, and thus they are even more guilty than the ones that did it...and they did allow it, they didn't do anything to stop it, and even if they say it's wrong now, it happened, entire Serenwilde is guilty, all they can do now is either punish their members to show them they don't, or don't punish them to show they do allow it.

I really don't get where leaders get this silly idea they aren't responsible for what the ones they lead do.

Visaeris just called someone a thug.....
No comment

Just because he's strong enough to not need to kill those with 10% of his Might dosen't make him more a thug than those Serens.

Let us face it, there are thugs in every single city/commune here at this present time. I was bashing as usual, and was jumped by a Magnagora simply claiming that this area was Magnagora's hunting grounds and I was not wanted. The area was not Magnagora, but if they wish to claim it, so be it, but I will still bash there. (no it wasn't a village or the earth plane)

Then, bashing the SAME area another day, and I was jumped by a Celest citizen who said we don't want anyone bashing here. Fun stuff, but their reasons were pretty pisspoor for trying to kill me. (butchered the Celest folk..hehe)

All the various groups have thugs, and you can't really claim one is worse than any of the others. I see several from ALL the groups killing people at random, so the Wilde at least has some reason to kill. It may have not warranted as many deaths as were given, but it was still a reason just as the others claim their own.

If something like this happens again, please let me know. That's -not- appropriate. Speaking of which, I do apologize for using that bug you Visaeris, I had absolutely no clue it would work when I threw those hexes at you.

As to the Serenwilde...aye, there are a lot of annoying people, this coming from someone within the Serenwilde. A lot of bloodthirsty people, a lot of people who just don't think before acting...and people, this is OOC, so don't complain to Hiriako about it.

-Hiriako's Player

P.S. Sorry if any of this was mentioned already, I felt I had to respond to a post at the beginning of this thread, now to read the rest of it.

I have only just joined these forums and read these posts. I would just like to clear up that I did not abuse any bugs when I came and attacked you, especially seen as, if I remember correctly, I still had Healing at that time.

Hmm.

Same as Marsu - recently joined, just read this post - no bug exploiting on my part. Just came, killed, left.

What makes me curious is that, according to your own suspect list, you've died, what, 8 times?

Given that some city members manage that in a month of raiding, what's the big deal?

It's stopped.

You were killed because you were in the Power Ministry, a position that showed how much we trusted you, stole what, 80% of your reserves (for those interested, the limit for people at that point was 15%, I believe), and left to join an enemy organisation.

Surely, given that sequence of events, it wasn't too hard to figure out what was going to happen?

The disciples of Crow really seem to lack in roleplay. Raising Crow, and strengthening the glam does go against serenwilde as an act of aggression. Like it or not, the two forests are in oposition, and like it or not, raising Crow, injures Serenwilde, so don't you think, that gives us a reason to stop you?