He's right though, we die too often defending the city and Celestia to reach any kind of level that'd make us tanky.

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#1 Acolyte Dias(Magnagoran)
#2 Acolyte Sudoxe, Archaeus Ignis(Magnagoran)
#3 Fatale Aesyra Se'irim, Shadowwalker(Magnagoran)
#4 Eiru(Magnagoran)
#5 Kaervas Arthardar, the Fist of Luciphage(Magnagoran)
#6 Death Elite Daevos Feyranti, of the Ur'guard(Magnagoran)
#7 Voice of the Day, Mordrin Rielar, Geomantic Traveller(Magnagoran)
#8 Val, The Insane(Magnagoran)
#9 Troop Leader Aajen, Damnation's Advocate(Magnagoran)
#10 Fatale Melanchthon(Magnagoran)
#11 Deathguard Ixion, Eternal Forger(Magnagoran)
#12 Mystic Yuniko ( Formerly Magnagoran)
#13 Acolyte Nevyn Maelwaedd, of Dark Fates (Magnagoran)
#14 Marsu Aurendil
#15 Chaplain Thur, of Dark Fates(Magnagoran)
#16 Narsrim, Lunar Thaumaturgist (Magnagoran)
#17 Trooper Mordechai d'Murani (Magnagoran)
#18 Galvadore, the Starsailor (single top-ranking Celestine)
#19 Trooper Malevius (Magnagoran)
#20 Wandering Soul Nortia Adryllia Whytetower


It's sort of hard to hunt and level if whenever you leave the city, you get summoned and killed.

Don't be a member of a group that will get hunted. I see plenty of Celest people walking around hunting, without getting killed in return.

The main problem -in the beginning- is that not only did a lot of good fighters joined Magnagora (probably for the 'everyone hates evil so lots of oppurtunity to fight' which I don't really like) and, I'm told, a lot of people from the closed beta did as well. Giving the city two advantages that Celest didn't have.

There is, however, things you can do to stop Magnagora. The first is -teamwork- when I've seen Celest work together well, they've managed to stop Magnagora from raiding a village (usually Rockholm or Southguard) getting in a few kills and managing to make the Magnagoran's retreat.

As you get more people that are higher levels, you'll be able to hold your own more often. Personally, I dislike the assumption that the world is good-evil-nuetral. I rarely go into a game with this in mind. Magnagora is the extension of the Taint. Celest is against the Taint, Serenwilde doesn't care aslong as the Forest is ok. (The FOREST not herbs, damn forestals from other muds)

About the guards.. I'm not sure. I know that on Imperian totems+guards=death and on Aetolia guards alone=death (especially ones that blackout) not sure about Achaea, but if it is that easy for Magnagora (read Daevos and Valek, our two -best- tanks) to raid Celest, it might be time for you to think up ways to stop them. When you see them killing guards, go into a room full of guards (or one room away on the opposite side of them) wait till they walk in and just keep webbing them, or have a team start beating on them (I know that aquamancers can attack from an adjacent room.. that+guards+statue should start having them think of leaving.

And you'll notice, Valek and Daevos are the only ones that really don't die, last raid I saw Magnagora lost a -lot- of other people. *shrug*

You know, if old time Achaea had a forum like this, it probably would have sounded similar. The Logos pulled the war system because Shallam almost got run through. A couple RL years later and Shallam ends up being the military force of the land.

Things happen. Get up, move on. We haven't lost yet.

It's cyclical. It'll probably take a bit, but it'll swing around.

Well it's quite easy not to get yourself summoned and killed, leave the room or shield. Magnagorans don't randomly kill people who don't deserve it, if you decide to take part in raids against us then that's your problem, and you should learn to accept the consequences.



Qaletaga, grow up. The insults were pathetic and I was hardly flinging my ego around, more like pointing out facts. Seems like most of you are too busy bitching to try to sort out your problems, I hope for Celest's sake that you aren't all like this. Magnagora is doing so well because the citizens get along and work together well, instead of complaining about us all of the time take a good look at yourselves. Celest has some great potential, shame that certain people are waiting for an easy way out.

Well .. if I recall this was not a post about who's best and how Celest could overcome it's obstacles.. But a simple reminder that common sense in the words that are used is always important.. and last thing I would like to see is for the great gift that was given to us, turn into some childish name calling mud .. I'm sure I'm not the only one who's seen those places .. and far from bieng a complaint about how good Magnagora is .. enough said ...

Celest got an overwhelming victory today, so let's all cheer up!

Well, it started out being a massive Magnagoran stomping as usual, but then Magnagora went back and got their behinds kicked. Having no Valek, Daevos, or Chade (or, I think Silvanus) doesn't help much.

Go and smoke your peace pipe somewhere else.

Well, the thing is, Kaervas is right. I disagree with the implication Celestians weren't working hard too (it was a lot of effort for me, along with so many others, to spend well over 12 RL hours swimming around for squid and so forth, by way of example), but if you'd seen how hard the Magnagorans were working on getting their necromentate up...Kaervas does have a fair amount behind his name, although thankfully he's not horribly boastful, and he's certainly not a spoilt child. I can understand why you're annoyed at Celest getting beaten up so much, Qaletaqa, but Kaervas is just telling it how it is here.

Celest has a lot of people that work really hard, just not as many as Magnagora. There's no one or nothing to blame for the current situation really, it just is like it is, no one's fault...there will always be one side stronger than the other, now it's magnagora, who knows what it'll be later. Just pick a side and work to help it better, instead of waiting to see which side will be stronger, then defecting to jump the bandwagon of the strong. I have plenty respect for the ones that founded Magnagora and help it grow as big as it is now, but not for the ones that leave Celest or Serenwilde for the sole reason of being part of the "strong side" to have it easier..., and I got a feeling those people won't be of much use for Magnagora either.

Just a note, I wasn't implying that Celest doesn't work hard. I apologize if it was taken in that way.

Probably gonna get ripped to shreds for this. But, look at the styles of the cities. Magnagoras evil, and more likely to attract the PK fans, the ones who engage in conflict more in the other IRE games. At least to start with. Now, in other realms, the evil city hasn't shown as much of an advantage because of this, because of two or three factors. One, it's usually outnumbered(Mhaldor had most of the world against it), two, it's usually not the only at all evil place(In Achaea, Mhaldor and Ashtan seemed slightly darker, whilst in Aetolia, it was Ashtan, Bloodloch, and the third one, to a degree), and three, there's no influencing(I heard there was a war system way back in achaea, and one still in aetolia. That and landmarking. But neither effected skills quite as directly as power from influencing). When Ashtan wooped shallam early on in achaea's past, it was for this reason. When they removed the war system, the difference faded, because there was nothing to really gauge 'who's winning' by. But in Lusternia, Influencing effects everyone. And, the people who enjoy and participate in combat, are more likely to be good at influencing to. So, as a result... Magnagora got a better start. The big conflicts alot more important in lusternia, and Magnagora attracted a larger number of people who enjoy and do well in the conflicts. Not saying anything bad about anyone, but this is what it seems like to me.
But there's no real need to worry. Because, as was shown by Shallam, the opressed side will gain strength. When fighters see that being part of Celest will lead to them getting pulled into more conflicts, more will arise in celest. If the 'evil' side beats on the good for to long, it gets boring, and people will start switching because of this. When the good side takes a lead, they'll start getting bored eventually, and the same happens. Not sure how it all effects serenwilde, but I see the whole, cycles of power swinging mainly between Magnagora and celest whilst serenwilde remains somewhere between the two, possibly allying with one or the other at any given time.
A portion of the combat lovers will always go to where it seems that they'll get most opportunity to fight, whilst some will always stick in one place. Alot of those more prone to PK, will always be at one end of the spectrum, and once one gets to crowded and they don't have much to kill, they'll shift. Otherwise, it'd get boring as all hell, and one side would be deserted, whilst one would have nothing much to do.
What would be good, is if a rough balance could be found. Where both magnagora and celest have a vaugely equal portion of people who indulge in PK, and even an equal portion of tradeskill fans. I think that over time, this will occur, and if a stalemates ever reached, I can see serenwilde being pulled in as an ally by one side.

I don't see why people constantly assume Serenwilde is the middle one. The one who people influence to ally with if they're in a bit of a squeeze. It shouldn't be good-evil, it should be

zealously good and anti taint - Celest VERSUS

tainted, undead and evil -Magnagora VERSUS

self-sufficient forest-dwellers, who hate them both - Serenwilde VERSUS

The problem is, serenwilde isn't polar, like magnagora and celest. Serenwildes supposedly against both, but since neither really oppose it, true conflict won't flare up.

Another thing that indicates your point of true conflict not flaring up, is the way Serenwilde is acting towards Magnagora now, right now they're sucking up to Magnagora cause they're strongest, if Celest would be winning, they'd be sucking up to Celest... no offense to some serenwilders, but that's exactly how most of your leadership is acting right now, so no matter which way the balance will swing between Celest and Mag, they'll just suck up to the winning side, instead of remembering their history... the consequence, is that Serenwilders won't be seeing any conflict at all, untill Glomdoring arises, then a lot of people will be so sick of Serenwilde, they'll immediately defect to Glomdoring, and Serenwilde will be crushed by the Crow, neither Mag or Celest will help them, cause Serenwilde will have swung sides all the time by then, losing any trust of either city...

Of course this is just one of the possible scenarios, and I'm not all too objective on this, but nonetheless, that's what yer steering at now, better grow some backbone Serenwilde! :ph34r:

... Only Serenwilde leadership knows what Serenwilde will do in the world but to this switching sides thing, I been in alot of serenwilde groups that have fought magnagora over many different things, Serenwilde has not aided celest or mag in this war and they shouldn't

Exhale everyone, it's just a game and means absolutely nothing once you get up from your chair.

*inhales* ahhh "exhales" explodes!! o.o