Celest is the one who has done nothing about it though. Big picture: Celest has been out to save themselves. Sure, they're "opposed" to Magnagora and the Taint, but you don't see any big projects where Celest is trying to purge the taint, or raid Magnagora, do you? Taking the point of view of a Serenwilder, i'd say that Celest has both released the Taint and then done nothing about it.

If you say other cities realeased it too, well... Gaudiguch and Hallifax are trapped in time/stasis/bubbles/limbo, and Magnagora itself is Tainted. Magnagora is bad, but Celest is no better.

Not to mention Magnagora's done a hella better PR job - the whole "the Taint isn't bad, it's change! strength! embrace it!" thing. Whereas Celest is seemingly totally incapable of empathising with any other possible point of view, or understanding why Serenwilde might not like them. Meh.

Ummmm, Military of Celest's sole purpose now is to eradicate the Taint from the surface of the planet...I really don't get where you got those ideas. If anyone's opposing the Taint, it's Celest, cause Serenwilde obviously doesn't mind the Taint spreading, you proved that plenty of times, they come kill you in your own forest and you UNenemy them for it? And please don't come with the BS of, "It's only individuals!"

Globally. Killing a viscanti is not the same as removing the Taint from an area.

Yes it is...we kill those that spread the Taint, and clean up the locations they tainted, we quest, fight and negotiate with as main purpose stopping Magnagora, without Magnagora, the taint could not spread and we'll be able to clean the last remants of the Taint from the planet. Please think, before responding randomly Sidharta. Glomdoring is a nice proof of what happens when the taint spreads, we don't care if serenwilde doesn't give a :censor: about the planet being tainted, but celest -does- give a :censor:. Our goal is not to fight Magnagora, our goal is to stop the taint, and if magnagora spreads it all across the land, like it's doing now, we fight magnagora.

Oh, give me a break. "Think before responding randomly." (edit: had that sentence meaning totally the opposite) Yes, the same thing I hear on Celest's citytells whenever someone brings up a point of view that's something, anything, other than "do whatever it takes, kill whoever it takes, to further the Light". Attitudes like yours are the reason Serenwilde despises Celest, though I suppose you're at least playing the 'zealot' role that's been defined for Celest through the histories. Good job on that. I'm with Qaletaqa though - the sooner a new city arrives, the better.

double post. angry mutter.

I almost chuckle when I hear people constantly talk about Serenwilde allying with Celest against Magnagora.

Popular opinion in Serenwilde is greatly against Celest (even though we apparently hate all cities).

Being as Magnagora (as a whole, not individuals) are generally fairly straight dealing with Serenwilde, and haven't done anything too large against us, they don't get especially hated.

Serenwilde is self-serving. If you believe that is what Neutrality is, then we're neutral. A more correct synopsis would be that we only get involved if we feel it affects us. Isn't self serving a popular definition of evil?

All hail Serenwilde, the true Evil Commune - City - Organisation of people with the ability to whinge.

Oh and consequently, Serenwilde doesn't particularly -like- the taint, but they aren't fanatical anti-taint zealots like some people here seem to be suggesting.

Of course, I just told a lie. Nothing any of us ever do is absoloutely certain, and factions within Serenwilde seem likely to take a ludicrous (or at least unusual) viewpoint just for the sake of conflict.

And all that fits perfectly in with Serenwilde's roleplay. As people have said, they cut themselves off for a very long time. We're still the "New Generations" of Serenwilders, exposed to a wider world than the people who indoctrinated us with our firm belief in the cause.

The conflict inside Serenwilde is to be expected as people come to terms with the exposure to the world again. I imagine that in time, it will become more low key (Even if that is because it simply gets violently ejected by a stronghanded leader).

To use an analogy from the Lord of the Rings, as was done earlier in this thread, it is much better to compare Serenwilde to the Ents rather than to the Elves. "We must weather such things as we have always done".

That being said, you cut down our trees, we smoosh your goblins and burst your dams.

Oh I don't mind Serenwilde despising Celest, whatever, Serenwilde is just being hypocritical about it, cause they're sucking up to Magnagora, Magnagora helped releasing the taint, and now they want to spread it across the entire surface of the planet, turning all forests into Glomdoring-like places and everything else into Blasted lands, Celest wants to stop that, it makes sense that the Seren despise Celest, but it does NOT make sense they suck up to Magnagora, cause they're a LOT more hazardous to your environment than we are...you hate us for releasing the taint, but you love magnagora for spreading it...? That is what I mean with being spineless, you think: "They're the strongest, let's suck up." There stops the thinking alltogether.

People keep saying they're not zealously anti-taint, but yet they zealously HATE Celest for releasing it...do you people think the current taint is a different kind of taint than what the cities, including Magnagora (where the whole event took place for crying out loud), released? Can't you see what taint can do to your precious Serenwilde forest by just looking at glomdoring? And again, you let Magnagorans come into Serenwilde, kill commune members, and not even enemy them for it, cause you want to keep "good relations" with Magnagora...if that's not top-notch sucking up I don't know what IS.

Hasn't Lord Auseklis said something like the taint isn't actually to be worried about unless it damages the forest? And that it doesn't kill life, just changes it? The misconception seems to be that taint = evil evil evil. when By itself, the taint isn't evil, it just effects change... So yeah, Celest have done alot more bad things to seren like whatever the rockholm thing was and killing the fae to feed the demon.

Rockholm going from Serenwilde to Celest was serenwilde's fault for making a pact that the dwarves didn't like. Celest just took advantage of it.

On the other hand, the fae thing was plain stupidity and didn't surprise me that seren acted the way they did.

Sure, if you find the kind of "change" that changed gloriana into glomdoring, and created the blasted lands with their gravediggers, The Ebonglom Wyrm and evil incarnate Rowena, normally acceptable to happen all over the planet, then there's absolutely nothing wrong with the taint. The taint mutates all life into stuff that wants to torture and kill you and have pleasure doing it...the trees become aggressive, even the bloody grass can attack you in glomdoring, all the commune members are turned into zombies steered by puppetmasters...if you think that's not evil, you need glasses .

Yup.

You need some of these:

Rafael wears those all the time, thats why we pick on him

I remember early on, I had a serenwilde character. Was saying we should do something about the taint, and Lord Auseklis said something like '"Why, it's just another way of life, and not effecting us" So yeah... And isn't the serenwilde view that the forest is important, not whether its actually evil or good?

more serenwilde history!! bah I need to be a historian *looks for a job* anyways. Serenwilde protects its own forest and not the city, they wouldn't care if mag or celest blew up and sprayed shiney gold things all over the world. if this conflict forces serenwilde in then most likely they would support celest. However, I doubt mag or celest will try to force serenwilde into this conflict so they can lay back and eat popcorn and laugh at the death spam o.o *wishes he was serenwilde*

By the way, do not respond on the *wishes he was serenwilde *eyes*

The histories quite clearly point out the Communes opposition to the Taint. Specifically the Moondancers. One of the priorities of Moondancers in the Guild description is the protection of the Fae. The histories also show that the Great Spirits are technically Fae. In my character's perspective this puts us in direct opposition to Taint and any who would champion it because the Taint continues to poison two of the greatest Fae. Brother Raven and Mother Night.

That's why I don't understand lord auseklis accepting the taint so readily...but of course it's the people that rule serenwilde, not lord auseklis, right?

Does Lord Lacostian run Celest, does the fish run the frog. does the virgins run the goats. okay now i'm just acting weird.. anywyas. Serenwilde can do what they like its their chocie