I'm sure that in a few months or weeks or whatever I'll just have lost all semblance of civility and will be reduced to: AQUAMANCERS! FIX! ME NEED FIX NOW BAD! 
In all seriousness, Preserve, liquidform and bubble could all use a look at but every time we envoy one of them we're told 'We do not find this neccesary', bah, humbug.
Support envoy report 389! Or else!
In all seriousness, Preserve, liquidform and bubble could all use a look at but every time we envoy one of them we're told 'We do not find this neccesary', bah, humbug.
Support envoy report 389! Or else!
QUOTE (Kante @ Jun 24 2010, 12:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It would be nice if the Envoys could get together every month, and propose a set of changes (both nerfs and buffs as needed) on a specific class. One month they do mages, the next warriors, the next bards, etc.
But I'm probably crazy for thinking the envoys can work together towards an objective goal of balance.
But I'm probably crazy for thinking the envoys can work together towards an objective goal of balance.
They're only human.
QUOTE (AquaNeos @ Jun 24 2010, 12:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
They're only human.
I will just leave this smiley here, to express my distaste.
QUOTE (Vendetta Morendo @ Jun 24 2010, 11:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No idea how many lessons that makes it from inept.
It moved from Fabled to Virtuoso, which is nice, but not a huge change.
the Lipreading change.QUOTE (Lawliet @ Jun 24 2010, 11:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm sure that in a few months or weeks or whatever I'll just have lost all semblance of civility and will be reduced to: AQUAMANCERS! FIX! ME NEED FIX NOW BAD!
In all seriousness, Preserve, liquidform and bubble could all use a look at but every time we envoy one of them we're told 'We do not find this neccesary', bah, humbug.
Support envoy report 389! Or else!
In all seriousness, Preserve, liquidform and bubble could all use a look at but every time we envoy one of them we're told 'We do not find this neccesary', bah, humbug.
Support envoy report 389! Or else!
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Report #13 Skillset: Aquamancy Skill: Preserve
Guild: Aquamancers Status: Approved Jul 2008
Problem: If a target is fully frozen and preserve it cast on them, they will be brought down to half health. The problem with this is that if a target is fully frozen and at 51% health, there health will be brought down 1% which essentially wastes 5 power Freezing a target is extremely difficult as is. It takes three levels of freeze for someone to become frozen. First to strip fire, next to chill, and last to freeze. Freezing is cured by fire potion on a ~1.5 second balance. There are demesne effects that can cause freezing but it can easily be cured before a preserve is possible. Additionally, if a target is frozen and we do cast preserve on them and they go down to 50% health, we can't keep them at that percentage of health due to regeneration/health potion/sparkle/heal scroll, etc. Therefore, if we cast preserve again, they'll be brought right back down to 50% health. This is of course assuming that they don't heal being frozen, which is extremely easy and only takes a sip of fire like was mentioned. Overall, getting a target at half health and frozen is very very difficult against a competent opponent.
Solution #1: Change preserve to deal 50% of targets max health instead of bringing a target to 50% health.
Solution #2: Institute a minimum amount of damage a preserve will do to a target who is completely frozen and above half health. This would eliminate preserve doing minimum damage because the target is close to half health.
Furies' Decision:
Approved to give more damage when preserve cast on someone in a frozen state but not for 50% of max health. We will weigh what the damage should be.
Guild: Aquamancers Status: Approved Jul 2008
Problem: If a target is fully frozen and preserve it cast on them, they will be brought down to half health. The problem with this is that if a target is fully frozen and at 51% health, there health will be brought down 1% which essentially wastes 5 power Freezing a target is extremely difficult as is. It takes three levels of freeze for someone to become frozen. First to strip fire, next to chill, and last to freeze. Freezing is cured by fire potion on a ~1.5 second balance. There are demesne effects that can cause freezing but it can easily be cured before a preserve is possible. Additionally, if a target is frozen and we do cast preserve on them and they go down to 50% health, we can't keep them at that percentage of health due to regeneration/health potion/sparkle/heal scroll, etc. Therefore, if we cast preserve again, they'll be brought right back down to 50% health. This is of course assuming that they don't heal being frozen, which is extremely easy and only takes a sip of fire like was mentioned. Overall, getting a target at half health and frozen is very very difficult against a competent opponent.
Solution #1: Change preserve to deal 50% of targets max health instead of bringing a target to 50% health.
Solution #2: Institute a minimum amount of damage a preserve will do to a target who is completely frozen and above half health. This would eliminate preserve doing minimum damage because the target is close to half health.
Furies' Decision:
Approved to give more damage when preserve cast on someone in a frozen state but not for 50% of max health. We will weigh what the damage should be.
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Report #126 Skillset: Aquamancy Skill: Preserve
Guild: Aquamancers Status: Approved Jan 2009
Problem: Preserve is rather impractical. You can basically only EVER use it in a group fight where everyone else has tied down and damaged the opponent in such a ridiculous fashion that they were already going to die in the first place. Assuming you are using it solo and manage to make freeze stick by some miracle of them never sipping fire, if you use preserve alone you will burn too much power to actually instakill them, not to mention only taking them to half life from whatever they are at, rather than doing half of their max health.
Solution #1: Lower power cost of preserve to 1/2/3 respectively to the stages it has now, change 50% health to does 50% of max health rather than lowers to 50% max health.
Solution #2: Make power cost 2/4 only, but have preserve strip fire and add chills if fire is present, frozen + 25% max health if chilled, 50% Max health damage if frozen and above half; instakill if below half.
Furies' Decision:
Approved.
Guild: Aquamancers Status: Approved Jan 2009
Problem: Preserve is rather impractical. You can basically only EVER use it in a group fight where everyone else has tied down and damaged the opponent in such a ridiculous fashion that they were already going to die in the first place. Assuming you are using it solo and manage to make freeze stick by some miracle of them never sipping fire, if you use preserve alone you will burn too much power to actually instakill them, not to mention only taking them to half life from whatever they are at, rather than doing half of their max health.
Solution #1: Lower power cost of preserve to 1/2/3 respectively to the stages it has now, change 50% health to does 50% of max health rather than lowers to 50% max health.
Solution #2: Make power cost 2/4 only, but have preserve strip fire and add chills if fire is present, frozen + 25% max health if chilled, 50% Max health damage if frozen and above half; instakill if below half.
Furies' Decision:
Approved.
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Report #294 Skillset: Aquamancy Skill: Preserve
Guild: Aquamancers Status: Approved Feb 2010
Problem: Here is how preserve works, you freeze the target to remove fire protection, freeze again to cause shivering, freeze again until frozen solid, and preserve when they are solid to make them at half health, then if they are still half health and frozen solid, you may instantly preserve them. This may sound simple in theory, but it has been difficult to pull off. Yes, it is possible to have Aquas to work together, but honestly when you have four or five aquamancers working towards preserve, they are better off doing other things like TK or TP. Typically, you can't get the other guilds to assist in pulling off preserve either because there is no third party message saying the person is frozen if they are being hit by a monk or warrior poisoned blades. Then there is a chance they shrug that poison. But if they are frozen, it is easy to just sip fire and attempt to hinder the mage. Overall, sipping health, reading scroll, sparkleberry, and other passive cures can block this skill very easily.
Solution #1: Timed kill that works in a deluged room.
Solution #2: For 2 power, preserve would take the person down two levels from being frost resistant to freezing or they are normal and bring them down to frozen?
Solution #3: Decrease the time to recover equilibrium so that the caster can keep up with the fire sipping.
Furies' Decision:
Preserve time slightly decreased
Guild: Aquamancers Status: Approved Feb 2010
Problem: Here is how preserve works, you freeze the target to remove fire protection, freeze again to cause shivering, freeze again until frozen solid, and preserve when they are solid to make them at half health, then if they are still half health and frozen solid, you may instantly preserve them. This may sound simple in theory, but it has been difficult to pull off. Yes, it is possible to have Aquas to work together, but honestly when you have four or five aquamancers working towards preserve, they are better off doing other things like TK or TP. Typically, you can't get the other guilds to assist in pulling off preserve either because there is no third party message saying the person is frozen if they are being hit by a monk or warrior poisoned blades. Then there is a chance they shrug that poison. But if they are frozen, it is easy to just sip fire and attempt to hinder the mage. Overall, sipping health, reading scroll, sparkleberry, and other passive cures can block this skill very easily.
Solution #1: Timed kill that works in a deluged room.
Solution #2: For 2 power, preserve would take the person down two levels from being frost resistant to freezing or they are normal and bring them down to frozen?
Solution #3: Decrease the time to recover equilibrium so that the caster can keep up with the fire sipping.
Furies' Decision:
Preserve time slightly decreased
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Report #389 Skillset: Aquamancy Skill: Preserve
Guild: Aquamancers Status: Approved Jun 2010
Problem: Preserve currently requires the target be at 50% health, and frozen to instakill. However, the trouble herein is that both frozen and 50% health is cured very quickly as an aquamancer has no methods to hinder the sipping of fire potion nor health (which already has multiple methods of curing via elixir, scroll, sparkleberry, and passive regen). In the absolute best case scenario of an aquamancer in their demesne with a beast using mactans poison, it takes a lucky needlerain to strip fire protection, icefloe to give chills, followed by a beast spit mactans within 1 second (with a potential 33% shrugging on most targets without special trade or guild abilities) of the demesne tick. On top of this, the target is able to sip and regain purgative balance twice before the aquamancer can regain equilibrium from casting preserve the first time. Because of these restrictions, it is nigh impossible for an aquamancer to be able to accomplish a preserve instakill 1v1 on a target with even mediocre curing.
Solution #1: Add a temporary effect to preserve in addition to its current effect which throws the target off purgative and elixir balance for 1.0 second if the target is not chilled and preserve is cast (costing 2 power). If the target is chilled already, it will cost 4p freeze the target, do damage as well as throwing the target off purgative and elixir balance for 2.0 seconds. If the target is frozen, it will cost 4 power, greatly damage the target and throw the target off purgative balance for 2.0 seconds. This additional effect would not stack with itself.
Solution #2: Change preserve to be on balance instead of equilibrium. It would function as preserve does now except that it will only require and take balance instead of equilibrium. It would take and require balance but not equilibrium in a method similar to how dissolve does now.
Solution #3: Provide a solution here.
Furies' Decision:
Preserve on a non-frost potion target will throw off purgative balance.
Guild: Aquamancers Status: Approved Jun 2010
Problem: Preserve currently requires the target be at 50% health, and frozen to instakill. However, the trouble herein is that both frozen and 50% health is cured very quickly as an aquamancer has no methods to hinder the sipping of fire potion nor health (which already has multiple methods of curing via elixir, scroll, sparkleberry, and passive regen). In the absolute best case scenario of an aquamancer in their demesne with a beast using mactans poison, it takes a lucky needlerain to strip fire protection, icefloe to give chills, followed by a beast spit mactans within 1 second (with a potential 33% shrugging on most targets without special trade or guild abilities) of the demesne tick. On top of this, the target is able to sip and regain purgative balance twice before the aquamancer can regain equilibrium from casting preserve the first time. Because of these restrictions, it is nigh impossible for an aquamancer to be able to accomplish a preserve instakill 1v1 on a target with even mediocre curing.
Solution #1: Add a temporary effect to preserve in addition to its current effect which throws the target off purgative and elixir balance for 1.0 second if the target is not chilled and preserve is cast (costing 2 power). If the target is chilled already, it will cost 4p freeze the target, do damage as well as throwing the target off purgative and elixir balance for 2.0 seconds. If the target is frozen, it will cost 4 power, greatly damage the target and throw the target off purgative balance for 2.0 seconds. This additional effect would not stack with itself.
Solution #2: Change preserve to be on balance instead of equilibrium. It would function as preserve does now except that it will only require and take balance instead of equilibrium. It would take and require balance but not equilibrium in a method similar to how dissolve does now.
Solution #3: Provide a solution here.
Furies' Decision:
Preserve on a non-frost potion target will throw off purgative balance.
Tell me again that preserve needs change and is never approved?
QUOTE (Malarious @ Aug 20 2010, 12:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Tell me again that preserve needs change and is never approved?
2 months later? really?
