Murphy2007-04-12 02:33:20
I never knew gerald, but i do miss the old lusternians. Come back valek!
Forren2007-04-12 02:34:41
QUOTE(Shou @ Apr 11 2007, 09:31 PM) 397871
Wait, so... how 'instant' is the kill? Like 3 people go into the room and 1 second later you're dead with absolutely no way out?
It's more like 3-4 seconds, but yes. Only way out for me is to divine fire beforehand.
Murphy2007-04-12 02:38:55
So use it and don't complain? Better yet, dont hang around with the group.
As far as getting jumped alone goes, if 2 good fighters and 2 support guys jump you, you shouldn't be able to escape anyway unless you get lucky.
As far as getting jumped alone goes, if 2 good fighters and 2 support guys jump you, you shouldn't be able to escape anyway unless you get lucky.
Krellan2007-04-12 03:17:35
if timed right by the group i think it'll kill anyone. The only way out I even see is a possible 25 size and you doing some sort of trueheal/serpent/shield move before the cruicify
Nico2007-04-12 05:59:50
Eh, whatever.
No one's allowed to bitch that the inquisition line should be restricted to one person then. Honestly, I thought this instant group sacrifice thing was fixed ages ago.
Clise2007-04-12 07:38:27
QUOTE(Krellan @ Apr 12 2007, 11:17 AM) 397915
if timed right by the group i think it'll kill anyone. The only way out I even see is a possible 25 size and you doing some sort of trueheal/serpent/shield move before the cruicify
Size 25 = asking to be crucified long enough to be sacrifice solo. Writhe time is really long at size 25.
Murphy2007-04-12 09:20:00
Lrn2Trueheal
Unknown2007-04-12 12:53:42
QUOTE(Ildaudid @ Apr 11 2007, 02:37 PM) 397769
Yeah, it was an old trick, but the main problem with it is this, hand someone a shovel, but when you dominate you need to make sure they are on balance to do it, which is almost never in an fight, due to demesnes, attacking, etc.
But just massdominate dig was hard enough, so don't worry about trying to add in the healing part, if anyone can actually execute the mass dom dig, kudos to them.
Wait unless it is done to me then that would not be called clever and well executed, it would of course be cheap and whorish, isn't that right Catty The Law of Lusty so states it somewhere
But just massdominate dig was hard enough, so don't worry about trying to add in the healing part, if anyone can actually execute the mass dom dig, kudos to them.
Wait unless it is done to me then that would not be called clever and well executed, it would of course be cheap and whorish, isn't that right Catty The Law of Lusty so states it somewhere
The healing is good, since it makes everyone bury their healing elixirs. It's good enough since I assume everyone has a healing vial, but most people have more than one, so it's not horrible griefing (like massdominate bury vitae, for example).
QUOTE
Lrn2Trueheal
QFT.
There are several classes that can kill very quickly in a group. I have never heard anyone try to imply that Nihilists are overpowered. In a well-executed group, you will die quickly. No individual should be able to do this to you, and even for 3 people it is a bit much (I would be in favor of making both inquisition and sac have to be done by the same person who did heretic/cruc), but you should expect to die when you go into a group. If you have abilities like trueheal, you might get away if you use it wisely and you're a little lucky (same can go for lich), but most of the time I don't see anything wrong with a well executed group strategy kiling someone quickly.
Shamarah2007-04-12 13:31:39
QUOTE(Murphy @ Apr 11 2007, 10:33 PM) 397882
Come back valek!
Please don't.
Clise2007-04-12 13:40:05
QUOTE(mitbulls @ Apr 12 2007, 08:53 PM) 397982
The healing is good, since it makes everyone bury their healing elixirs. It's good enough since I assume everyone has a healing vial, but most people have more than one, so it's not horrible griefing (like massdominate bury vitae, for example).
QFT.
There are several classes that can kill very quickly in a group. I have never heard anyone try to imply that Nihilists are overpowered. In a well-executed group, you will die quickly. No individual should be able to do this to you, and even for 3 people it is a bit much (I would be in favor of making both inquisition and sac have to be done by the same person who did heretic/cruc), but you should expect to die when you go into a group. If you have abilities like trueheal, you might get away if you use it wisely and you're a little lucky (same can go for lich), but most of the time I don't see anything wrong with a well executed group strategy kiling someone quickly.
QFT.
There are several classes that can kill very quickly in a group. I have never heard anyone try to imply that Nihilists are overpowered. In a well-executed group, you will die quickly. No individual should be able to do this to you, and even for 3 people it is a bit much (I would be in favor of making both inquisition and sac have to be done by the same person who did heretic/cruc), but you should expect to die when you go into a group. If you have abilities like trueheal, you might get away if you use it wisely and you're a little lucky (same can go for lich), but most of the time I don't see anything wrong with a well executed group strategy kiling someone quickly.
You can't trueheal out of this. You need to be off the crucifixation before you can trueheal. Its pretty much a 100% kill combo that requires 3 people to pull off successfully.
Rakor2007-04-12 14:17:49
Gerald, Valek, Nok, Alger, Ashar, Corbenic, etc. They should all come back.
Murphy2007-04-12 14:41:57
For 2 people with trans necro, and someone with trans riding. 3 good players who can work as a team should have no problem quickly dispatching of someone. It used to be very feasable to have 3 damage warriors haymaker/pulp and instantly kill someone.
If you had 3-4 Forrens with a staff like that, they could walk around 1shotting everyone with a simultaneous staffcast, much like the geomancers did with 7-8 geo's all poiting staff at the same time. How about heartburst instantly getting people in numbers? It's no different.
Hell I can pull up a log of 6 geo's boulderblasting like 50 people and killing masses very very quickly. Where do you draw the line?
Better yet, go find something better to complain about i'm sure you've got some emo sobstory.
If you had 3-4 Forrens with a staff like that, they could walk around 1shotting everyone with a simultaneous staffcast, much like the geomancers did with 7-8 geo's all poiting staff at the same time. How about heartburst instantly getting people in numbers? It's no different.
Hell I can pull up a log of 6 geo's boulderblasting like 50 people and killing masses very very quickly. Where do you draw the line?
Better yet, go find something better to complain about i'm sure you've got some emo sobstory.
Aiakon2007-04-12 16:20:38
QUOTE(Rakor @ Apr 12 2007, 03:17 PM) 397993
Gerald, Valek, Nok, Alger, Ashar, Corbenic, etc. They should all come back.
Alger is about every now and again. He periodically graces these forums whenever a roleplay thread comes along, to make a statutory comment about how crap Lusternian Roleplay is compared to his personal standard - I believe he plays the same thing Diamante is in to. I've forgotten the name. Some Dune rip off with goblins. Ashar reappeared for a little while quite recently and then buggered off again... Gerald dumped Gerald and created an Ur'Guard whose name I have forgotten. So.. he might well be around..
Rakor2007-04-12 21:20:09
I stand by my wish - they should all come back! Alger stops in but he used to actually play. Ashar was great, he knew how to play his role well, and Gerald is never around, even with his alt.
Unknown2007-04-12 23:47:10
QUOTE(Clise @ Apr 12 2007, 09:40 AM) 397987
You can't trueheal out of this. You need to be off the crucifixation before you can trueheal. Its pretty much a 100% kill combo that requires 3 people to pull off successfully.
Unless it was a bug , or was changed recently you can trueheal on Crucify after the stun you will be cured of all your afflictions but still be on the cross. If I can find the log where it happened I will post it but someone should test it.
Desitrus2009-02-18 17:13:59
Of note, page 1 and page 4 both contain instasacs due to trample. Lots of amazing logic here like the previous debate.
Rise, and do my bidding. Also, wonder where Forren is these days, he seemed pretty against trample sac in this. Wonder what he'd say about crazy ass beast balance trample, rofl.
Rise, and do my bidding. Also, wonder where Forren is these days, he seemed pretty against trample sac in this. Wonder what he'd say about crazy ass beast balance trample, rofl.
Gregori2009-02-18 17:37:23
You mean people have done this in the past?
Impossible. I am sure someone would have said something about it being possible when they found out trample was on beast balance if that was the case!
Impossible. I am sure someone would have said something about it being possible when they found out trample was on beast balance if that was the case!
Xenthos2009-02-18 17:52:12
QUOTE (Gregori @ Feb 18 2009, 12:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You mean people have done this in the past?
Impossible. I am sure someone would have said something about it being possible when they found out trample was on beast balance if that was the case!
Impossible. I am sure someone would have said something about it being possible when they found out trample was on beast balance if that was the case!
Most of us did...
Desitrus2009-02-18 18:02:52
QUOTE (Xenthos @ Feb 18 2009, 11:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Most of us did...
No way, I'm sure that if a bunch of envoys said something they would have listened and reverted it. Looks like you guys dropped the ball on this one, Envoys.
Malicia2009-02-18 18:32:56
And people actually complain about GROUP INQUISITION. Oh my god, three people can inquisition me in 12 whole seconds and strip my defs! Oh wait...it takes 12 seconds for one person to do it also...