Gregori2008-12-12 17:36:45
There is also this in the first log:
5159h, 4038m, 3504e, 10p, 20870en, 17985w exkdb-
What is it you wish to light?
That happened repeatedly so I am assuming you didn't have a pipe out or have it in your system correctly. Since you lit all 3 in the second log I am guessing at some point you fixed that. You still didn't smoke it though and you had more than a few chances to do so. You can't fault another class because you don't have/use cures.
5159h, 4038m, 3504e, 10p, 20870en, 17985w exkdb-
What is it you wish to light?
That happened repeatedly so I am assuming you didn't have a pipe out or have it in your system correctly. Since you lit all 3 in the second log I am guessing at some point you fixed that. You still didn't smoke it though and you had more than a few chances to do so. You can't fault another class because you don't have/use cures.
Vathael2008-12-12 17:54:31
QUOTE (Ardmore @ Dec 12 2008, 08:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Now maybe I just missed it but are you even curing? It seems the only time you attempt to cure is when you diagnose. If that's the case it's you not keeping your system up to date.
Clearly you must not be reading very well, I see healing.
EDIT: At any rate, it really isn't the healing, it's the monk. People didn't like it when I hit every 1.5 seconds with 310 speed hammers and celerity and now they try to justify Narsrim doing it. Complaints were also made about being able to keep someone from doing anything permanently because of wind or stun train or what have you. I don't see the difference there than here. Sure, he got to stand up once, that was quickly taken care of 1.5 seconds later. But that's OK, he has arties? Oh, so do I, but it's no okay? Honestly, quit trying to justify something you know is wrong. It makes you look like an idiot.
Ardmore2008-12-12 17:58:29
QUOTE (Vathael @ Dec 12 2008, 12:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Clearly you must not be reading very well, I see healing.
I see curing from old monks but not much of the new afflictions until he diagnoses.
Vathael2008-12-12 18:00:45
Just because it's not #SUB'd doesn't mean it's not triggered though I do see some things that it apparently didn't pick up which probably has something to do with the wrapwidth and how his weapon name length affects the trigger.
Isuka2008-12-12 18:14:09
I can't help but notice how much emphasis was put onto razing Narsrim (double razes in one kata for example (and with no kick afterwards?)) when I can't ever see him putting up rebounding, and half of those razes were done before he had speed back up.
I'm no master combatant, and I certainly don't know all the skills involved in this fight, but I do see a lot of missed opportunities to hinder your opponent. Perhaps he is overpowered and unrealistically fast, but you can't complain too loudly when you should really admit it could have been fought better anyways.
I'm no master combatant, and I certainly don't know all the skills involved in this fight, but I do see a lot of missed opportunities to hinder your opponent. Perhaps he is overpowered and unrealistically fast, but you can't complain too loudly when you should really admit it could have been fought better anyways.
Desitrus2008-12-12 18:16:43
Hey, you could also take a look at the bug report I submitted umpteen billion years ago that's still "Classified" that allows a two handed weapon to receive +30 speed from two 15 runes, unlike every other two handed weapon in the game aside from jakari's who have the same "bonus. Regardless of how the code looks or its original intention, the speed is NOT being split into one handed attacks on some magical monk-only equation. He is seeing gains in speed linearly with every bit of the stat, just like all other weapons.
I've seen it at 1.2s without Celerity.
To the above. Bzzzt wrong. That's the new monk fad. They get momentum for successful forms, guess what double raze is? If your momentum dips to 1-2, a double raze is a fun and safe way to get it back up.
I've seen it at 1.2s without Celerity.
To the above. Bzzzt wrong. That's the new monk fad. They get momentum for successful forms, guess what double raze is? If your momentum dips to 1-2, a double raze is a fun and safe way to get it back up.
Isuka2008-12-12 18:22:09
QUOTE (Desitrus @ Dec 12 2008, 10:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
To the above. Bzzzt wrong. That's the new monk fad. They get momentum for successful forms, guess what double raze is? If your momentum dips to 1-2, a double raze is a fun and safe way to get it back up.
At the complete expense of doing any damage or affliction? Couldn't the same be done with a really basic KA PUNCH LEFT/RIGHT KICK with no modifiers? At least then you'd be doing -something-.
All I'm saying is that you can't stand there and get beat and then complain that the other person -MUST- be overpowered.
Desitrus2008-12-12 18:30:07
QUOTE (Isuka @ Dec 12 2008, 12:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
At the complete expense of doing any damage or affliction? Couldn't the same be done with a really basic KA PUNCH LEFT/RIGHT KICK with no modifiers? At least then you'd be doing -something-.
All I'm saying is that you can't stand there and get beat and then complain that the other person -MUST- be overpowered.
All I'm saying is that you can't stand there and get beat and then complain that the other person -MUST- be overpowered.
Like I said, it's a safe and fun way. It also needs to be a *success*, which is why double raze works. Should you hit stance or parry totally, you lose instead of gain momentum.
Edit: And his timestamps aren't there, I can assure you with the speed involved Narsrim can kill you every single time just by going for shatterspine, flutter, and the instakill. Not even counting all the damage and locking. I was able to do it with a 214 tahto on test, it's cake.
Morhgor2008-12-12 18:31:57
QUOTE (Isuka @ Dec 12 2008, 01:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
All I'm saying is that you can't stand there and get beat and then complain that the other person -MUST- be overpowered.
30 s kill. Not even a warrior can manage that, yet they always get nerfed.
Okay, yes a warrior can, if it was Narsrim against a level 50 or something, but not like that.
Isuka2008-12-12 18:38:30
QUOTE (Desitrus @ Dec 12 2008, 10:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Like I said, it's a safe and fun way. It also needs to be a *success*, which is why double raze works. Should you hit stance or parry totally, you lose instead of gain momentum.
Edit: And his timestamps aren't there, I can assure you with the speed involved Narsrim can kill you every single time just by going for shatterspine, flutter, and the instakill. Not even counting all the damage and locking. I was able to do it with a 214 tahto on test, it's cake.
Edit: And his timestamps aren't there, I can assure you with the speed involved Narsrim can kill you every single time just by going for shatterspine, flutter, and the instakill. Not even counting all the damage and locking. I was able to do it with a 214 tahto on test, it's cake.
Can you attack with the weapon while grappling? I'm not certain, but it looks like Narscrim engaged a grapple, and then continued to attack. If so: that's cheap. I've been a martial artist for a long time, and when you're grappling, grappling is all you can do.
Vathael2008-12-12 18:40:23
old log 1
Old log 2:
You're completely right, in these two instances it was the incompetence of the people that died that caused the problem.
Old log 2:
CODE
The garden of finger flowers. (Astrosphere of Cancer.)
This location is flooded with shallow, crystal clear water.
You see exits leading east and southwest.
3336h, 5145m, 5900e, 9p, 23884w esSixkdb-|RR|<<26m 37s 44ms>>
meld
You bend down and trace trails in the water with your fingers. The waters sparkle with flecks of azure light and you feel this location meld into part of your spirit.
3336h, 5095m, 5900e, 10p, 23874w sSixkdb-|RR|<<26m 37s 98744ms>>
{0h, -50m, 0e, 1p}
Vathael enters from the east, emanating an aura of immense power.
3336h, 5095m, 5900e, 10p, 23874w sSixkdb-|RR|<<26m 38s 12272ms>>
Vathael carefully wipes all the poisons off of a broadsword with flame etchings.
3336h, 5095m, 5900e, 10p, 23874w sSixkdb-|RR|<<26m 38s 83969ms>>
Vathael carefully wipes all the poisons off of a broadsword with flame etchings.
3336h, 5095m, 5900e, 10p, 23874w sSixkdb-|RR|<<26m 39s 8519ms>>
With a powerful lunge, Vathael strikes at you with a broadsword with flame etchings. You are feebly struck in your right leg with the blade.
The sounds of the world gradually return to you.
1759h, 5095m, 5900e, 10p, 23874w sSixkb-|RR|<<26m 39s 49532ms>>
{-1577h, 0m, 0e, 0p}
drink health
With a powerful lunge, Vathael strikes at you with a broadsword with flame etchings. The stab to your right thigh leaves a gaping hole.
You shrug off the effects of the poison.
205h, 5095m, 5900e, 10p, 23874w sSixkb-|RR|<<26m 39s 53233ms>>
{-1554h, 0m, 0e, 0p}
read scroll168381
outr sparkleberry
eat sparkleberry
You bleed 76 health.
129h, 5095m, 5900e, 10p, 23880w sSixkb-|RR|<<26m 39s 55966ms>>
{-76h, 0m, 0e, 0p}
You take a drink from a jade vial.
The potion heals and soothes you.
765h, 5095m, 5900e, 10p, 23880w sSixkb-|RR|<<26m 39s 61507ms>>
{636h, 0m, 0e, 0p}
You read a Scroll of Healing.
You feel an invigorating energy rush through you.
831h, 5160m, 5900e, 10p, 23880w sSixkb-|RR|<<26m 39s 74686ms>>
{66h, 65m, 0e, 0p}
You remove 1 sparkleberry, bringing the total in the Rift to 78.
831h, 5160m, 5900e, 10p, 23880w sSixkb-|RR|<<26m 39s 99749ms>>
You eat a sparkleberry.
You feel your health, mana and ego replenished.
1164h, 5160m, 5900e, 10p, 23880w sSixkb-|RR|<<26m 40s 2448ms>>
{333h, 0m, 0e, 0p}
sw
You are recovering equilibrium and cannot move yet.
1164h, 5160m, 5900e, 10p, 23880w sSixkb-|RR|<<26m 40s 16561ms>>
The air in the room suddenly sizzles with energy.
1164h, 5160m, 5900e, 10p, 23880w sSixkb-|RR|<<26m 40s 68233ms>>
st tar vathael
Target tar = vathael.
1164h, 5160m, 5900e, 10p, 23880w esSixkb-|RR|<<26m 41s 84257ms>>
You have recovered equilibrium.
1164h, 5160m, 5900e, 10p, 23880w esSixkb-|RR|<<26m 42s 00141ms>>
e
A strange force prevents you from moving that way.
1164h, 5160m, 5900e, 10p, 23880w esSixkb-|RR|<<26m 42s 20555ms>>
sw
A strange force prevents you from moving that way.
1164h, 5160m, 5900e, 10p, 23880w esSixkb-|RR|<<26m 42s 61408ms>>
ql
With a powerful lunge, Vathael strikes at you with a broadsword with flame etchings. The stab to your right thigh leaves a gaping hole.
The point of the blade thrusts through your body and emerges from your back, jolting you upright even as you feel your limbs go numb. You slide off the blade, dropping to the ground as the numbness claims your entire body.
You have been slain by Vathael.
0h, 5160m, 5900e, 10p, 23880w esSix-|RR|<<26m 42s 92423ms>>
This location is flooded with shallow, crystal clear water.
You see exits leading east and southwest.
3336h, 5145m, 5900e, 9p, 23884w esSixkdb-|RR|<<26m 37s 44ms>>
meld
You bend down and trace trails in the water with your fingers. The waters sparkle with flecks of azure light and you feel this location meld into part of your spirit.
3336h, 5095m, 5900e, 10p, 23874w sSixkdb-|RR|<<26m 37s 98744ms>>
{0h, -50m, 0e, 1p}
Vathael enters from the east, emanating an aura of immense power.
3336h, 5095m, 5900e, 10p, 23874w sSixkdb-|RR|<<26m 38s 12272ms>>
Vathael carefully wipes all the poisons off of a broadsword with flame etchings.
3336h, 5095m, 5900e, 10p, 23874w sSixkdb-|RR|<<26m 38s 83969ms>>
Vathael carefully wipes all the poisons off of a broadsword with flame etchings.
3336h, 5095m, 5900e, 10p, 23874w sSixkdb-|RR|<<26m 39s 8519ms>>
With a powerful lunge, Vathael strikes at you with a broadsword with flame etchings. You are feebly struck in your right leg with the blade.
The sounds of the world gradually return to you.
1759h, 5095m, 5900e, 10p, 23874w sSixkb-|RR|<<26m 39s 49532ms>>
{-1577h, 0m, 0e, 0p}
drink health
With a powerful lunge, Vathael strikes at you with a broadsword with flame etchings. The stab to your right thigh leaves a gaping hole.
You shrug off the effects of the poison.
205h, 5095m, 5900e, 10p, 23874w sSixkb-|RR|<<26m 39s 53233ms>>
{-1554h, 0m, 0e, 0p}
read scroll168381
outr sparkleberry
eat sparkleberry
You bleed 76 health.
129h, 5095m, 5900e, 10p, 23880w sSixkb-|RR|<<26m 39s 55966ms>>
{-76h, 0m, 0e, 0p}
You take a drink from a jade vial.
The potion heals and soothes you.
765h, 5095m, 5900e, 10p, 23880w sSixkb-|RR|<<26m 39s 61507ms>>
{636h, 0m, 0e, 0p}
You read a Scroll of Healing.
You feel an invigorating energy rush through you.
831h, 5160m, 5900e, 10p, 23880w sSixkb-|RR|<<26m 39s 74686ms>>
{66h, 65m, 0e, 0p}
You remove 1 sparkleberry, bringing the total in the Rift to 78.
831h, 5160m, 5900e, 10p, 23880w sSixkb-|RR|<<26m 39s 99749ms>>
You eat a sparkleberry.
You feel your health, mana and ego replenished.
1164h, 5160m, 5900e, 10p, 23880w sSixkb-|RR|<<26m 40s 2448ms>>
{333h, 0m, 0e, 0p}
sw
You are recovering equilibrium and cannot move yet.
1164h, 5160m, 5900e, 10p, 23880w sSixkb-|RR|<<26m 40s 16561ms>>
The air in the room suddenly sizzles with energy.
1164h, 5160m, 5900e, 10p, 23880w sSixkb-|RR|<<26m 40s 68233ms>>
st tar vathael
Target tar = vathael.
1164h, 5160m, 5900e, 10p, 23880w esSixkb-|RR|<<26m 41s 84257ms>>
You have recovered equilibrium.
1164h, 5160m, 5900e, 10p, 23880w esSixkb-|RR|<<26m 42s 00141ms>>
e
A strange force prevents you from moving that way.
1164h, 5160m, 5900e, 10p, 23880w esSixkb-|RR|<<26m 42s 20555ms>>
sw
A strange force prevents you from moving that way.
1164h, 5160m, 5900e, 10p, 23880w esSixkb-|RR|<<26m 42s 61408ms>>
ql
With a powerful lunge, Vathael strikes at you with a broadsword with flame etchings. The stab to your right thigh leaves a gaping hole.
The point of the blade thrusts through your body and emerges from your back, jolting you upright even as you feel your limbs go numb. You slide off the blade, dropping to the ground as the numbness claims your entire body.
You have been slain by Vathael.
0h, 5160m, 5900e, 10p, 23880w esSix-|RR|<<26m 42s 92423ms>>
You're completely right, in these two instances it was the incompetence of the people that died that caused the problem.
Ronny2008-12-12 18:41:31
QUOTE (Vathael @ Dec 13 2008, 02:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just because it's not #SUB'd doesn't mean it's not triggered though I do see some things that it apparently didn't pick up which probably has something to do with the wrapwidth and how his weapon name length affects the trigger.
Wrapwidth 90 on a Wrapwidth 80 system is probably part of it.
Vathael2008-12-12 18:42:24
QUOTE (Ronny @ Dec 12 2008, 12:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wrapwidth 90 on a Wrapwidth 80 system is probably part of it.
Heh, yea, that could be it then.
Desitrus2008-12-12 18:53:17
QUOTE (Ronny @ Dec 12 2008, 12:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wrapwidth 90 on a Wrapwidth 80 system is probably part of it.
Wow...
Celina2008-12-12 19:17:57
QUOTE (Zarquan @ Dec 12 2008, 08:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Palisade sucks.
Yes it does!
I also think he uses a super heavily modified Palisade.
QUOTE (Charune @ Dec 12 2008, 12:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You were also not stancing, nor were you using rebounding. This would have helped to limit his offensive capability by blocking his hits.
As for sparkleberry, if you aren't eating it properly, you're going to need to sip health more often than apply. This means more damage from the monk because you have more damage on your limb. If you apply too much/when you don't need to, it means you'll suffer more damage in the long term.
As for sparkleberry, if you aren't eating it properly, you're going to need to sip health more often than apply. This means more damage from the monk because you have more damage on your limb. If you apply too much/when you don't need to, it means you'll suffer more damage in the long term.
Doesn't hemi negate stance and parry?
That and monks can auto raze after level 3 momentum, so I'm fairly certain those two suggestions wouldn't have helped much.
And yeah, the pipe thing is a big deal, can't cure hemi without pipes....though, even old tathetso could keep you nearly perma hemi'd without super speed buffs.
I mean, no this isn't a perfect log, but we can avoid the issue with pointing out the logs flaws OR address the issue of 1.5 second monk attacks with 4+ stackable afflictions and instakills before you can cure (or the numerous other issues with Tahtetso...and Ninjakari...and monks in general. Rush and hyperactive used to be fine IMO, but with new monks...no sir). Hell, just read Desipuss's posts.
Unknown2008-12-12 19:23:07
The one thing I can take from this log is the satisfaction that both Nekotai and Shofangi garner far less rants.
Go us.
Edit: As far as the log itself, I would have liked to see the system actually reacting as best as it could (i.e. all the triggers firing) before making a real concrete decision on how crazy it is. But hey it's Tahtetso (and Ninjakari) so whatever.
Go us.
Edit: As far as the log itself, I would have liked to see the system actually reacting as best as it could (i.e. all the triggers firing) before making a real concrete decision on how crazy it is. But hey it's Tahtetso (and Ninjakari) so whatever.
Silvanus2008-12-12 19:24:35
If there were any Nekotai aside from Krin, I'd be careful what you say.
Celina2008-12-12 19:24:41
QUOTE (Sojiro @ Dec 12 2008, 02:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The one thing I can take from this log is the satisfaction that both Nekotai and Shofangi garner far less rants.
Go us.
Go us.
Possibly because your "best" monk is Nejii.
Unknown2008-12-12 19:26:05
That's probably it as well.
wtb Lyco/Narsrim for Shofangi
wtb Lyco/Narsrim for Shofangi
Morhgor2008-12-12 19:26:21
QUOTE (Silvanus @ Dec 12 2008, 02:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If there were any Nekotai aside from Krin, I'd be careful what you say.
There isn't even Krin anymore.
