Gregori vs. Urazial

by Gregori

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Gregori2009-01-14 02:57:48
QUOTE (Narsrim @ Jan 13 2009, 08:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
4. Druids have more passive afflictions than Bards. It stacks better as a result.


Druids are not the only people with the skill.

I would also argue the afflictions being superior.
Narsrim2009-01-14 02:59:15
Which of those afflictions would not be worthwhile for a Serenguard?
Narsrim2009-01-14 03:00:44
As I said, I think it's silly Ancestral Curse does not hit targets in trees. With this small change, I see it as being a very worthwhile skill.
Gregori2009-01-14 03:10:25
1. Bards can't sap.

- Druids are not always in trees/somewhere they can sap. I have used the skill far more often in aquemenses of late than druid.

2. Unlike Maelstrom, Ancestral Curse cannot be canceled. Any Illusionist can dispel a colourmaelstrom for 0p. Any person with critique can end it as well for 8p.

- You can just leave the room and the cost difference is enough that you won't see someone laying down to many extra curses, compared to the ability to lay down a few extra maelstroms

3. The affliction list for Ancestral Curse is superior to that of colourmaelstrom.

- Already commented on. Though I will say I never once said "not worthwhile" I said "not superior", subtle distinction, but I am a stickler.

4. Druids have more passive afflictions than Bards. It stacks better as a result.

- Already commented on.
Esano2009-01-14 07:52:55
QUOTE (Gregori @ Jan 14 2009, 12:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I went for the narcolepsy, but the empowered puncture failed for some reason. I have my suspicions why, I need to check though.


QUOTE (Gregori @ Jan 14 2009, 12:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You must regain balance first.
5701h, 7269m, 6966e, 5p, 25145en, 23328w elrkb<>-<18:35:25.639>   
dreamweave puncture urazial empowered
outdr epilepsy
dreamcast epilepsy urazial
You slam your hand into Urazial's aura, ripping a hole into its etheric substance.
5701h, 5852m, 6269e, 5p, 25145en, 23135w elrxkb<>-<18:36:33.560>    


You may drink another purgative or curing potion.
5701h, 5852m, 6269e, 5p, 25145en, 23135w elrxkb<>-<18:36:33.713>   


You pluck a jittering mote from your dreamcatcher.
5701h, 5852m, 6269e, 5p, 25145en, 23135w elrxkb<>-<18:36:33.738>   


You flick a jittering mote at Urazial.
The mote sinks into his aura, which darkens with ugly splotches.
5701h, 5652m, 6269e, 5p, 25145en, 23040w lrxkb<>-<18:36:33.773>    
...
outdr memoryloss
dreamcast memoryloss urazial

 /=========================\\
  { Equilibrium Recovered }
 \\=========================/
stand
5318h, 6808m, 6269e, 6p, 25145en, 23046w elrxkbp<>-<18:36:37.817>   


You may drink another purgative or curing potion.
5701h, 7269m, 6849e, 6p, 25145en, 23046w elrxkbp<>-<18:36:37.841>      

You pluck a twinkling mote from your dreamcatcher.
5701h, 7269m, 6849e, 6p, 25145en, 23046w elrxkbp<>-<18:36:37.919>   


Your aura of weapons rebounding disappears.
You flick a twinkling mote at Urazial.
The mote sinks into his aura, which darkens with ugly splotches.


I thought that was the success message?
Krellan2009-01-14 08:10:40
QUOTE (Gregori @ Jan 13 2009, 07:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I went for the narcolepsy, but the empowered puncture failed for some reason. I have my suspicions why, I need to check though.


You attempt to puncture Urazial's aura, but the aura's lack of consciousness thwarts you.

That message implies that Urazial was asleep when you tried to puncture. I could not see it in the log where he was asleep between him attacking, you trying that and him attacking. I imagine he was shrouded and you may have some of the log

QUOTE (Narsrim @ Jan 13 2009, 08:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I do want to take a moment and disagree with a recent envoy suggestion. Ancestral Curse is niiiiiiiiiiice. It gives awesome afflictions (Impatience, Addiction, Hypochondria, Paranoia, and Reckless) and lasts -5- minutes. It may cost 8p, but 8p every 5 minutes for those afflictions is totally worth it. I do agree, however, it should work on targets in trees (but the power cost is fine).


I really don't think that's all it gives. Off the top of my head, it can give anorexia I believe. Though, I saw it give this affliction a while back, while Krellan was still in Serenwilde, Gregori keeps saying it hasn't been touched since beta, so I would imagine it still does.

@Esano that part is the mote working, however jittering motes are epilepsy and not the narcolepsy/empowered punctured attack Gregori meant.
Unknown2009-01-14 08:17:06
The 'anorexia' you saw was hypochondria, because ancenstracurse doesn't give anorexia affliction.

It only gives those 5 afflictions which Narsrim stated. tongue.gif
Krellan2009-01-14 08:32:57
It was diagnosed anorexia. I admit I could be wrong, but I mean I'm not sure how I could have. I wasn't the one being afflicted. It was a fight between Akui SG Stag at the time and someone. I watched by diagnosing both players. I later asked how she managed to give anorexia to the opponent as SG can't do that with weapons. She said it was ancestral curse, which is why she used it in the first place.
Unknown2009-01-14 08:47:42
Weird.

Then ancestralcurse must have a freakish 1% chance to do anorexia. tongue.gif
Unknown2009-01-14 12:33:30
Narsrim missed one affliction, but it's not anorexia.
Ilyarin2009-01-14 14:21:02
QUOTE (Urazial @ Jan 14 2009, 01:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hey, nice personal attack!


blink.gif You.. Think that was a personal attack? crazy.gif

I think we might need a bit of murphy.gif . That was a pretty tame comment, not some vindictive slander.
Ilyarin2009-01-14 14:26:21
Also, what's with the million variations on 'vs' lately? We've had 'vrs.' and now 'v.s' (guess that's okay but strange extraneous period?!)? blink.gif
Ronny2009-01-14 14:57:47
QUOTE (Krellan @ Jan 14 2009, 04:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You attempt to puncture Urazial's aura, but the aura's lack of consciousness thwarts you.

That message implies that Urazial was asleep when you tried to puncture. I could not see it in the log where he was asleep between him attacking, you trying that and him attacking. I imagine he was shrouded and you may have some of the log


I'm pretty sure this happened because the target had blackout and he tried to puncture.

EDIT: I believe empowered puncture was added to allow you to flick two motes in one puncture like old Mugwumps could. If you used an empowered puncture, on full balance recovery you should be able to flick again before the punctured aura is cured. Also noticed that deepsleep wasn't used. While it takes 3p per use, I think its a fairly powerful skill as falling asleep from both exhaustion and narcolepsy is nasty. If he didn't use metawake and you somehow managed to deepsleep right after he passed out, both insomnia and kafe would be out of the way. The suggestion for using sleepmist would have been good too. Of course I used to love attrition fighting and that's just my opinion.
Unknown2009-01-14 14:59:56
QUOTE (Zarquan @ Jan 14 2009, 12:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Narsrim missed one affliction, but it's not anorexia.


Amnesia tongue.gif
Gregori2009-01-14 15:44:10
QUOTE (Ronny @ Jan 14 2009, 08:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm pretty sure this happened because the target had blackout and he tried to puncture.

EDIT: I believe empowered puncture was added to allow you to flick two motes in one puncture like old Mugwumps could. If you used an empowered puncture, on full balance recovery you should be able to flick again before the punctured aura is cured. Also noticed that deepsleep wasn't used. While it takes 3p per use, I think its a fairly powerful skill as falling asleep from both exhaustion and narcolepsy is nasty. If he didn't use metawake and you somehow managed to deepsleep right after he passed out, both insomnia and kafe would be out of the way. The suggestion for using sleepmist would have been good too. Of course I used to love attrition fighting and that's just my opinion.


Yeah I envoyed the empowered puncture a while back so the dreamweaver had a chance to get in two motes before aura came back, assuming reishi was used to cure.

The problem is he got his aura back while still in blackout. Then when I tried to narcolepsy again I couldn't puncture, because some reason you can't puncture in blackout.

I didn't think of the deepsleep to be honest. I am not used to using it outside of dreamform so never remember it.

As for the mist, it has been added to my alias/macro list.

@Narsrim: Thanks for the tip in the message. Tested it with Xiel, and will try and make use of it more.
Gregori2009-01-14 15:47:46
QUOTE (Ilyarin @ Jan 14 2009, 08:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Also, what's with the million variations on 'vs' lately? We've had 'vrs.' and now 'v.s' (guess that's okay but strange extraneous period?!)? blink.gif



It is actually supposed to be 'vs.'

The period is not errant it is just typoed and I couldn't go back and fix the title of the topic.
Unknown2009-01-14 17:16:10
QUOTE (Thoros LaSaet @ Jan 14 2009, 09:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Amnesia tongue.gif


Funny! (But, no.)
Unknown2009-01-14 17:19:07
QUOTE (Zarquan @ Jan 14 2009, 05:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Funny! (But, no.)


Confusion?

Was almos 100% it was amnesia. :/ Now I'm just throwing guesses out there.
Unknown2009-01-14 17:28:12
QUOTE (Thoros LaSaet @ Jan 14 2009, 12:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Confusion?


I find this humorous, too, as it's a guess and so you're obviously confused. laugh.gif

Okay, I'll be fair and tell you: it's clumsiness.
Narsrim2009-01-14 18:30:30
Thanks! Another useful affliction!