How about this altered version of dreamscape:

Dreamscape
Syntax: DREAMWEAVE DREAMSCAPE (target)
Cost: 200m, 50wp, 2p
By weaving a powerful dream landscape of such breathtaking perfection that is unthinkable to leave it, you may ensnare a sleeping mind in the Dreaming if they do not exercise significant strength of will to return to their body. If they cannot focus on the tenuous link that connects them to the waking world quickly enough, their physical form will be lost to them forever.

2p for an 8s instakill, even if it requires them to be asleep, is a bit much. And what happens if they have impatience?

Can dreamweavers give impatience? Hmm, maybe it wouldn't prevent waking up in that case? How long does crotamine take... that's sort of the equivalent I was going for.

Would it give a message every few seconds before death like crotamine?

Sure, I wasn't intending it to be difficult or confusing to prevent... if you look at the other suggestions I've made the general trend is to move away from being able to do significant health damage from dreambody form, and instead drain willpower (which makes sleeping dreamweavers very vulnerable to other weavers) or cause other subtle effects. This skill is kind of like the finishing move against someone who lets themselves be drained for a long time - the only reason a reasonable combatant would die to this is if they're almost completely out of willpower.

Wraith
Syntax: DREAMSHAPE WRAITH
Cost: 400m, 100wp, 5p
You may take on the guise of the vengeful wraith, the spectral form allowing you the chance to evade most forms of detection. You may also DREAMWEAVE HARROW in order to fill their mind with dread, draining their willpower into yours and cause them running around filled with fear.



Guardian
Syntax: DREAMSHAPE GUARDIAN
Cost: 400m, 100wp, 5p
Wrapping your dream form in veils of peace and comfort you may shape your body into that of the gentle guardian. Whilst you stand guard over your allies they have a chance to be unaffected by attempts to make them sleep, when this protection is invoked your willpower will be drained. Certain abilities ignore this protection.



I also think that maybe we could have some coloured glows.

Saran is here, his body reshaped into the gentle form of a golden guardian.
Elryn is here, his body reshaped into the fearsome form of a green wraith.

If we had the native regeneration at a low level, the colour might allow you an extra level but only in one colour/stat? Another colour for stemming the outgoing flood of willpower maybe?


I may make overpowered things

Nifty! Changing appearance always = fun.

Yeah, and it also allows dreamweavers to provide protection (guardian), go into preservation mode(Wraith) or just keeping the asleep(Incubus)

Maybe a daemon form that helps with offense against dreambodies.

Oh gods, I'm having images of a group of druids getting all serious face, sipping some absinthe, going dreamform and changing into all of these shapes to hunt down some incubus that is harrasing them.

This thread makes me want to change back to a Druid, if even half of this was put in it would be wonderful!

Small colours you can choose to apply and mix with your shapes.

Amber aura = Resist afflictions
Azure glow = Mana Regen
Golden halo = Ego Regen
Emerald pulse = Health Regen
Ruby haze = Slight increase to offense OR offset to some of the willpower drain?

You can only emanate one colour at a time so I'd say most would pick either emerald(being attacked), amber(fighting other weavers) or ruby(just messing around).

sooo

Emanation
SYNTAX: DREAMSHAPE EMANATE
Cost: 500m, 200wp, 1p
By your ability to reshape your dreambody, you may now project a single colour and reap the benefits of its affect on the sleeping mind. (awesome sauce explanations of the emanations)

yeah changed the syntax to dreamshape

Keep in mind a couple things when thinking up ideas.

1. If it involves a bunch of checking of things it will probably be rejected if it ever gets to the admin.

2. If it involves creating new afflictions it will almost certainly be rejected if it ever gets to the admin.

Dreamweaving is fine as is. A few skills could use some minor tweaking but otherwise dreamweaving is fine. It was never meant to be a powerfully offensive skillset.

However, it's probably the most powerful offensive skillset for Druids...

Which is why I'm befuddled as to why they are trying to make dreamweaving more powerful than it already is. I agree nightmare needs to be changed back to what it was before (damage), but otherwise the entire skillset is extremely solid.

It seems like the exact position of dreamweaving needs to be clearly defined by someone, whether it's the envoys or the admin or whatever. If it's possible to harrass and even kill people while your corpses are in their home org under guards and possibly a healer/someone who can salt, there is a requirement for abilities to snare you such that you can actually be killed. If it's just spying, delete dreamweaver detection skills, remove the dreamform-harrassment, maybe add another couple of utility skills to make that functionality easier while still preventable by scaring them off and stuff that can be used while awake in some way.

EDIT: The explanation is that its being a powerful offensive skillset for a druid WHILE AWAKE and its functionality while in dreamform are completely different things. You can't mix the two or you'll get owned for obvious reasons.

I really don't see a problem as is. Dreamform is useful for spying with the potential to harm someone who is careless, but otherwise dreambodies are not a huge concern. On the flip side, Dreamweaving is insanely useful and powerful in combat for Druids (it doesn't work as well for Mages, but it hands down destroys for Druids).

It seems to me it's about where it should be.

I also say this as a former Dreamer who had a lot of fun with the skillset. I never lost a single duel/spar/ffa as a Dreamweaving Blacktalon. I literally annihilated anyone I fought. I also used to sneak around Magnagora/Serenwilde setting off fun illusions that would send people into a panic.

You are kidding right?

Anyone who is talking out loud about anything of worth should be shot and rightfully that sort of thing is on channels
If there is a trained blacktalon in the room you have no chance unless they've forgotten to paint their face
Megalith chandelier
If it's to do with the divine... I've never even heard of a situation where the divine don't imediately reveal dreamweavers
If all's working and you can spy on events if you don't get caught though again that depends on the admin running things as well as wether or not one of the above applies.

Also do not forget the inability to quickly relay information without returning to your body, thereby leaving and loosing the chance to gather more information.

If it was meant for spying then we'd be able to hear channels and evade detection effectively.

Nobody is arguing that 3 of the skills in Dreamweaving are awesome for druids. It is the remainder of the skillset that is lacking period.

If anyone is being spied on over anything actually important they are morons. Dreamweaving is the worst possible skillset for spying there is. Except against complete idiots. Hell, I could spy better with Ecology than I can with Dreamweaving.

Illusions, broken. Have been for months, been sitting on my bug list since at least November. (along with a bunch of other Dreamweaving bugs)

Ability to harm people in dreamform. Nope, sorry. The best defense currently against a dreamform is to go to sleep.

Didn't you say something to others about doing some research before commenting?

Oh, how I wish that were true. Besides, most BT don't run around with crowsfeet when they can use spiderweb and bonenose instead.