Raguel got <95 to demigod through influencing.

The only way you are going to get demigod period in a reasonable amount of time is to buckle down and do it.

I would also argue the cost of bashing vs. the cost of influencing.

While you can easily bash high end with nothing but 1 skillset transed. In fact you don't even need to be trans, you just need to be high enough for your bashing attack. In the case of druids that is fabled.

You cannot easily influence high end without influence transed, and even with you will be slow.

Well, considering the low risks involved in influencing -- no afflictions, can run away without being tracked, I certainly don't see criticals for influencing coming into play anytime soon.

I'm probably a rarity by influencing to demigod, but it's certainly achievable in a year with only 4 hours of playtime each day.

Yeah, Raguel basically did nothing but influence all day for a few months, and he got it NERFED, and Jozan, you be quiet, all you do is influence guards all day.

I agree


With performances, runes, pony (now) and charismaticaura we don't need criticals.

I have hit kephera for a win in 3 hits.

Now granted I tend to have a 22 -23 charisma, so don't judge influencing by my scale, but the fact remains. It doesn't need critical hits.

Sticking to the topic as opposed to personal attacks: guard influencing is still influencing.

Umm maybe I missed something in announces.. How exactly did he get it nerfed?

I have only ever seen upgrades to influencing in the last year.

Scarecrow hat, charismatic aura change, beastmastery...

Did you notice how all the villages took forever for a few weeks? Notice that it started right after Raguel got demi.

Stealth nerf made it so denizens don't repop with influence until they would have reset with death, and they stopped resetting at midnight

Huh? There is no reason whatsoever to believe that any village nerfs (which I think are just you not participating in enough for a while, as I don't think they've changed in ages) are attributable to Raguel's bashing. He took longer than many.

The reset thing is probably entirely unconnected too as I think that was later.

A bug fix != a nerf and I highly doubt Raguel getting to demi had anything at all to do with it.

Considering it took him the same amount of time and dedication to influence to demigod as it would take someone to bash there and I don't see them calling down nerfs on bashing.

Jumping to accusatory conclusions against someone who worked their ass off, and against the admin for "stealth nerfing" cause you apparently can't bash or influence to demi, does not mean much of anything.

I will also point out that I was influencing long before Raguel and still am and the "stealth nerfs" you speak of have had no impact on me whatsoever, so I will assume you just are talking out some lower orifice.

Nope, Me and raguel had talked about it, and I had been in influences before that. Just suddenly, village mobs took 3 and a half hours to reset, and raguel said the reset thing had happened in the UV, because he used to be able to do the full run, and then start back at the beginning without stopping, then couldn't do that anymore

and Gregori, I wasn't quite being serious when I said "Stealth Nerf", I meant that it got changed to be more difficult without anyone being informed, even if it was a bug. I'm not finding any fault in any one for doing it, and I'm not saying that raguel didn't work his butt off, I'm only saying that bashing if faster.

one more thing, if Raguel didn't have anything to do with it, it was a coincidence that it got changed soon after he got Demi, which I'm not saying is impossible, but the way Raguel told me, he was the reason for the change

I am betting there are other factors, cause I can do the full run and come back to the start and assuming the other 5 influencers haven't snuck up on me I can start from the entrance again and keep going and once again.. I am not a slow influencer.

Half the time Raguel was influencing I was in there too, or me and 2 others were. Raguel is not the brightest bulb in the box.

Villagers now take 1 hour to reset. If it was 3.5 hours, it was almost certainly a bug, not some kind of bizarre nerf to Raguel.

There was one night not long ago they took a long long time to reset, but yes, that was a bug. It had nothing to do with Raguel.

Well, being seren (no offense and not saying anything bad) you guys didn't catch the flak of it, sitting in a village with the mobs not doing ANYTHING for forever. It got complained about on the forums, and I bet it got bugged. When they said they changed it to be shorter, I don't think they said it was a bug fix (I could be mistaken on that though), but, players don't really know in any case. I was making hypothoses over what I had observed, and what I had been told

That is called a personal attack, and for an ex admin you should know better.

As for your comments on how fast or slow influencing to demi is, leave it for the people that actually influenced above level 95. and especially those that influenced at titan level.

Some of you need to be taken out back, beaten with a rubber hose, and then shot. Shot multiple times. In unfriendly places.

Why in the world would you want to make sanctifying and defiling shrines so much longer (read: tedious)? Do you seriously want to bash for hours on end to take down a fully sanctified Fain shrine that Thoros threw up in the middle Faethorn? Some shrines are damn near immortal as it is, I see no reason to move them towards more permanent structures.

I do play a character in Serenwilde, and I do remember sitting around in revolts for what seemed ungodly amounts of time waiting for something to happen with the mobs' attitudes.

This incident with village revolts occurred once they had added in beastmastery and made some changes to mobs in general, I believe. This was when they started with the "blinking and shuffling" message. I remember sitting around for well over an hour after a round of village influencing. Waiting 3.5 hours may be a bit of an embellishment, but I only remember one or two village revolts before it was changed. It was also at this time that mobs stopped having their attitudes reset at midnight, but rather when they had met this new criterion of stat regeneration.

Estarra's post concerning the change to mobs in revolting villages after that large change simply said that those mobs would regenerate their ego faster. It now takes less than an hour for them to be influenced again. This is probably technically classified as adjusting a feature than correcting a bug, though.

EDIT: Just to stay on topic, influencing has always seemed to be the slow-and-steady method, "old faithful," as it were in experience gain. If you make it even more difficult, you have to make other aspects of it simpler. You could practically set your watch to "experience gain while influencing." I still believe it be perfectly in-line as is, for now, and reasonable as an alternative to bashing for experience.

Given I influenced long before I was a VA, and all I do is influence now that I am a Vernal. I am pretty sure I have a firm grasp on the amount of time involved in influencing. How about you leave it to the people who do it daily for 10+ hours a day.

only 10 hours. Before I realized there was life outside lusternia I did a good 15 hours a day. If you did anything near to influencing a lot before VA you would of been a higher level. I think you have no idea how much influencing it really takes to get to demi, you just assume because divine essence comes in the millions a day that you have any idea but you have not influenced a fraction of Raguel or even me (and I only influenced up to level 90 and then for level 92, level 94, level 98 and 80 percent of titan)

Actually I stopped at 96, so that I wouldn't lose my eligibility for VA in Serenwilde.

If you read carefully what I said, I said the people who do it 10+ hours a day. Meaning 10 to far more than 10. I personally was doing 17 - 18 hours when I had the full time to do it.

As for divine essence coming in the millions a day. Wtf are you smoking? I am lucky if I make a million a day and all I do is influence.

It is not hard to extrapolate figures and do simple math to know how long it would take to get demi through influencing. From both doing it yourself to watching others doing it and learning their figures.

I suggest actually putting some thought before your sentences in the future instead of making wild conjecture just because I didn't actually do the influence at titan.