To clarify, MILF is an acronym for "Mom/Mother I'd Like to F***."

Yeah. Clearly inappropriate. Like I said; I hate people my age.

Wow, if the school itself doesn't give you the power to take care of that stuff, then that's terrible. Definitely not your fault in that case. That really surprises me though, because, like I said, at the art school my fiance went to it was an absolute zero tolerance policy when it came to nude models. I guess I was wrong by assuming that was standard operating procedure.

Ah. We're not an art school. We have a very small humanities department, which is where our art college is located and adheres to. Now, if this were my classroom full time, then yes. I'd have the full power to say, "Get the hell out of my classroom and don't come back until you grow up." Unfortunately, when you sub., you're held by the adjunct code of conduct and allowances.

Kante: OMG! Are you serious?

It is common place to restrict instructors from taking discretionary powers of punishment, sadly.

EDIT: Totally 'd, post irrelevant.

Honestly, I was shocked when I read the first post - the amount of Marina's disappointment astonished me. I fear I've become so cynical I simply assume everyone else is too. People like Marina who still somehow retain faith in people amaze and inspire me, and seeing them disappointed like this just breaks my heart.

And like Shaddus said, it is simply a part of the male psyche to try to out-man the next guy. The immature male/animal must battle others for primacy. You'd think humans have outgrown these basic instincts, but... no.

wow, in complete contradiction to Brahms post above, we had a module at my uni in the first year which involved drawing nudes and my class is mostly guys but I didn't hear any comments or laughing or anything, I think people were thankful to have the opportunity to be honest.

Having said that, my class is less 'jocks' (or whatever you call them) and more reserved people so that's probably a contributing factor.

You'll find the sports jocks are horrendously homophobic. And I'm sorry for offending any sports jocks here who aren't homopobic.

I think I am going to make a banner for my sig that says: I'm 19 and I'm not a dumbass male teenager.

Edit: You know what? Never mind. I'm sick of dealing with the :censor: that so constantly arises from university women, I might as well train myself not to respond. And no, this wasn't a post about Marina, although it could have just as easily been.

I'm surprised that you're surprised. I have incredibly low expectations of others, especially high school and college guys, heh. Sucks when you dislike most of your peers :/

As for the "courtworthy", you should have said they were "sexually discriminatory" or something.

Women are pure evil. If it wasn't for men and their disgusting masculinity causing them to be physically attracted to women, we'd never put up with their BS and the human race would die off.

I'm curious:

What sort of overview of professionalism was given to the students prior to their introduction with the models? What sort of expectations were given to students, and what were the named consequences for failure to meet these expectations?

Probably none. It should have been common courtesy common sense obvious.

Psh. Just because they're adults doesn't mean they know how to act unless they are told how to first.

Yeah, well, last I checked, most places did not need written policies against sexual harassment, and most classes already have policies against incomplete work. No sense in pointing fingers at this point, but the boys were out of line, and there was someone there who should have been capable of laying down the law with confidence, competence, and expediency.

Usually whenever had a substitute teacher, we were assigned make-work. I'm baffled as to why something "new" was given to these kids if their regular teacher wasn't there.

Remember kids, if you want to titter (Teehee) and giggle, go back to kindergarten sex ed (Bloody Americans forcing teachers to teach what parents should).

In this case, the disruptors should have been axed right away. Even if you are a sub. If they are causing a disruption, remove them. In an arts class, you are supposed to be dignified or at least neutral when it comes down to bobbly bits. If you can't handle seeing another man's equipment go back to the locker room snapping wet towels at each other. If you can't handle seeing a woman naked without giggling...just...no. Proceed to the nearest garbage receptacle and turn in the twins. You don't deserve them.

When you are 18-22, you should be trying to act like adults, not taking leeway on the whole "I got my whole life ahead of me, let's get stoned and hope we don't die of alcohol poisoning on the way there."

As for my actions in such a situation, I wouldn't be in it. I have trouble drawing straight lines.

Marina: Take the Lessons of the Mafia to heart: Note the trouble makers for the family, take their names, leave'em fer the boss ta handle, ya hear? Tell their Don who's been havin' gigglin' fits on the job. He'll want ta hear who's been tittering and who's been doing their work proper. He'll know which beds ta leave horse heads in.

True, I should've acted sooner, but on the same hand, I walked into this completely blind. I had maybe ten minutes to read through the lesson plan and less time than is needed to get the material together for the theory and studio. All I did was stop by and ask the Dean if she was ready to go get lunch, and she said she couldn't because she had a instructor run to a family emergency. She gave me that, "Please, save me," look, and I said okay, I'd sub. This was literally twenty or so minutes before this class was scheduled to begin.

Yrael: University women? Really? Honestly?

I suppose this behavior just really shocked me. I had the notion that this was a fine arts class, or at least belonged to the humanities department. True, they looked like jocks, but half of the students who walk through my department don't look like the typical nerds and geeks you would immediately think of when you think "chemistry". I geuss I was caught unawares. I remember taking a few drawing classes as fillers for a few humanities I needed to get out of the way, but I actually enjoyed them. My soon-to-be-hubby even admitted he enjoyed the humanities he took.

To put it bluntly: I was like a deer caught in a semi's headlights. Albeit, I acted as fast as I could, I was still shocked. And I realize this isn't a reflection on the whole male populace, but on the other hand, I went home and asked my fiance what he thought about it, and he said that was a typical way of thinking. He then continued on to make me some hot cocoa and peppermint schnaps.

Narsrim: I don't know. I don't belong to the Humanities department. My department is on the total other side of the campus. I forwarded my report of the class to the instructor and to the Dean. In my department, its basic. Do your work, be respectful, et etc.. If you don't, then you're out. I would think that each department, though separately ruled, adheres to the same student conduct and requirements that all freshmen get at their freshmen orientation. Then again, my department's Dean adds on a few extra rules and whatnot because we have explosive chemicals and corrosive chemicals that could potentially harm someone if they're being foolish. So to answer the question, I don't know.