Unknown2009-02-18 23:39:38
This game...so awesome it makes me bleed.
Reading up.
Oh and, Smash Smashball!
Reading up.
Oh and, Smash Smashball!
Daganev2009-02-18 23:40:08
QUOTE (Fania @ Feb 18 2009, 03:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Saw just seems like the Moderator because he keeps arranging all of the information for us. Wonder if that's part of his role? Might just be something he does.
Lol, or more likely Furien keeps messing up what he writes and the mod actually sent him a message that he is pretending existed on the forums.
Unknown2009-02-18 23:41:00
A bit late on the smashball Archer, both of 'em are already gone. and so far it seems that the good characters have been aligned with Loyalists when/if the big four go down, makes sense for Zelda/Sheik to be.
Furien2009-02-18 23:43:10
QUOTE (daganev @ Feb 18 2009, 03:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
"2. I accidentally said my role was aligned with the Rebels, leading to the mod asking if there had been a typo. I could have said 'yes, there was a typo' and have been mod-confirmed Loyalist. I instead admitted it was my own error."
This is what you wrote.
I don't care what you say about my reading comprehension abilities, but The mod never asked you anything on the forums. And in less than 1 minute, you resonded to S.A.W, saying you misread your role. After S.A.W asked you about it.
Are you suggesting we lynch Casilu because he is Bowser and bowser is always evil? If not , why do you think saying that "zelda is good" is a valid defense?
This is what you wrote.
I don't care what you say about my reading comprehension abilities, but The mod never asked you anything on the forums. And in less than 1 minute, you resonded to S.A.W, saying you misread your role. After S.A.W asked you about it.
Are you suggesting we lynch Casilu because he is Bowser and bowser is always evil? If not , why do you think saying that "zelda is good" is a valid defense?
It's called a PM, of which I'm not going to talk about anymore, so drop it.
And, no. Did I mention Bowser anywhere in my post? I did not.
I responded to SAW because...SAW is SAW and was asking what happened. SAW is not the moderator. I did not say SAW was the moderator. Stop putting words in my mouth.
Daganev2009-02-18 23:44:24
QUOTE (Renthur @ Feb 18 2009, 03:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
A bit late on the smashball Archer, both of 'em are already gone. and so far it seems that the good characters have been aligned with Loyalists when/if the big four go down, makes sense for Zelda/Sheik to be.
But it also makes sense for the "second in commands" to be the leaders of the rebel group. i.e. luigi, zelda, etc.
But I think we've argued the point to death. At this point we should either have a new argument or just let people vote.
Furien2009-02-18 23:45:57
QUOTE (daganev @ Feb 18 2009, 03:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But it also makes sense for the "second in commands" to be the leaders of the rebel group. i.e. luigi, zelda, etc.
No, it doesn't. The 'Second in commands' would be the ones who were loyal to the Big 4 in the first place. They're Loyalists. Notice how, thus far, the only Rebel was a villain who generally got his arse kicked in the storyline? No wonder they're considered Rebels.
Daganev2009-02-18 23:48:02
QUOTE (Furien @ Feb 18 2009, 03:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's called a PM, of which I'm not going to talk about anymore, so drop it.
And, no. Did I mention Bowser anywhere in my post? I did not.
I responded to SAW because...SAW is SAW and was asking what happened. SAW is not the moderator. I did not say SAW was the moderator. Stop putting words in my mouth.
And, no. Did I mention Bowser anywhere in my post? I did not.
I responded to SAW because...SAW is SAW and was asking what happened. SAW is not the moderator. I did not say SAW was the moderator. Stop putting words in my mouth.
Line by line.. explain what you wrote here?
""2. I accidentally said my role was aligned with the Rebels, leading to the mod asking if there had been a typo. I could have said 'yes, there was a typo' and have been mod-confirmed Loyalist. I instead admitted it was my own error.""
I'm not sure how anything you wrote in this paragraph fits the story you are trying to tell us now.
Daganev2009-02-18 23:49:51
QUOTE (Furien @ Feb 18 2009, 03:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No, it doesn't. The 'Second in commands' would be the ones who were loyal to the Big 4 in the first place. They're Loyalists. Notice how, thus far, the only Rebel was a villain who generally got his arse kicked in the storyline? No wonder they're considered Rebels.
So far the only "loyalist" wasn't part of the link/mario/etc franchise at all. And we have two claimed Rebels. We also have reason to believe that people who might be jealous of the big 4, might be working against them.
Furien2009-02-18 23:51:41
QUOTE (daganev @ Feb 18 2009, 03:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Line by line.. explain what you wrote here?
""2. I accidentally said my role was aligned with the Rebels, leading to the mod asking if there had been a typo. I could have said 'yes, there was a typo' and have been mod-confirmed Loyalist. I instead admitted it was my own error.""
I'm not sure how anything you wrote in this paragraph fits the story you are trying to tell us now.
""2. I accidentally said my role was aligned with the Rebels, leading to the mod asking if there had been a typo. I could have said 'yes, there was a typo' and have been mod-confirmed Loyalist. I instead admitted it was my own error.""
I'm not sure how anything you wrote in this paragraph fits the story you are trying to tell us now.
Forum. PM. From. Kiradawea. Asking. If. She. Typo'd. My. Role. Information.
And, hey, for the Loyalist thing? There's me. Can also look at our other roleclaims right now, too.
Daganev2009-02-18 23:58:22
QUOTE (Furien @ Feb 18 2009, 02:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
01: Casilu - Claims Bowser, spied on by Noola.
02: Renthur
03: Sadhyra
04: Llandros
05: Kiriwe - Claims Midna
06: Narsrim
07: Rika
08: S.A.W.
09: Noola - Claims some sort of investigator
10: Tekora - Replacement
11: Daganev
12: Harkux
13: Diamondais
15: Fania
16: Shamarah
17: Archer2
18: Shaddus - Samus, confirmed
19: Shiri - Snake, confirmed
20: Caerulo - Replacement
21: Esano
22: Furien - Zelda/Sheik confirmed
23: Dai - Claims Fox
24: Solanis
Identified Factions:
1. Kids
2. Femmes
3. Loyalists
4. Rebels
5. Big 4
6. Beasts
7. 'Scum'
02: Renthur
03: Sadhyra
04: Llandros
05: Kiriwe - Claims Midna
06: Narsrim
07: Rika
08: S.A.W.
09: Noola - Claims some sort of investigator
10: Tekora - Replacement
11: Daganev
12: Harkux
13: Diamondais
15: Fania
16: Shamarah
17: Archer2
18: Shaddus - Samus, confirmed
19: Shiri - Snake, confirmed
20: Caerulo - Replacement
21: Esano
22: Furien - Zelda/Sheik confirmed
23: Dai - Claims Fox
24: Solanis
Identified Factions:
1. Kids
2. Femmes
3. Loyalists
4. Rebels
5. Big 4
6. Beasts
7. 'Scum'
That is all the info we have right now, correct?
Not sure who the other "second in command" is that we are supposed to compare you to.
QUOTE
"Forum. PM. From. Kiradawea. Asking. If. She. Typo'd. My. Role. Information."
"""2. I accidentally said my role was aligned with the Rebels, leading to the mod asking if there had been a typo. I could have said 'yes, there was a typo' and have been mod-confirmed Loyalist. I instead admitted it was my own error.""
"
"""2. I accidentally said my role was aligned with the Rebels, leading to the mod asking if there had been a typo. I could have said 'yes, there was a typo' and have been mod-confirmed Loyalist. I instead admitted it was my own error.""
"
So to understand this correctly, Your second "logical argument" was to point out that you didn't use the PM conversation you had with the mod to confirm your alignment. (a conversation nobody would know about except for the fact that you are using it as an argument to confirm your alignment?)
Furien2009-02-19 00:01:25
QUOTE (daganev @ Feb 18 2009, 03:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So to understand this correctly, Your second "logical argument" was to point out that you didn't use the PM conversation you had with the mod to confirm your alignment. (a conversation nobody would know about except for the fact that you are using it as an argument to confirm your alignment?)
I realized I was walking on thin ice, which is why I said 'drop it'. Thanks for doing that.
Fania2009-02-19 00:04:23
I think our roles are suppose to be basically like they are in Brawl...although if you span their roles over there entire career as characters some of the characters could be good or bad. In Super Mario RPG Bowser was sort of a good guy because he did help Mario out.
I believe things may be more cut and dry here. Just because Bowser is a bad guy does that mean that the good guys should kill him?
Samus in my book is a good guy. So when she killed Gannon she kind of went against the "good guy code" and that's probably why she was looked down upon. So that doesn't make Shaddus a bad guy.
I know the story parts are just for flavour, but it would make it hard for those who are "good" to vote if they are looked upon as "evil" each time they vote to kill anyone.
I believe things may be more cut and dry here. Just because Bowser is a bad guy does that mean that the good guys should kill him?
Samus in my book is a good guy. So when she killed Gannon she kind of went against the "good guy code" and that's probably why she was looked down upon. So that doesn't make Shaddus a bad guy.
I know the story parts are just for flavour, but it would make it hard for those who are "good" to vote if they are looked upon as "evil" each time they vote to kill anyone.
Unknown2009-02-19 00:13:36
Holy crap. People have revealed so much valuable information on Day 1 it's ridiculous. It's like a banquet for the scum to choose who to kill at night. Kiriwe's claim suggests that the roster isn't limited to Brawl characters, but it isn't really proven. I also win with the Big Four, but I can also confirm the existence of The Beasts.
How I'm seeing the game structure is that we all try to protect the Big Four, except for their rivals and Crazy Hand (perhaps Right and Left). If the Big Four "collapses" (possibly two of them getting killed/subverted) then it becomes a free-for-all between the different factions and Crazy Hand to get the majority.
Right now, I agree with Dag's argument and I'm going to Vote: Furien, it's possible she knew the name of Zelda's Smash Attack (lolwikipedia) and simply reasoned that that would be the obvious other choice.
I'm also getting a scummy vibe from Kiriwe and S.A.W (a bit weak though and no real reason.)
How I'm seeing the game structure is that we all try to protect the Big Four, except for their rivals and Crazy Hand (perhaps Right and Left). If the Big Four "collapses" (possibly two of them getting killed/subverted) then it becomes a free-for-all between the different factions and Crazy Hand to get the majority.
Right now, I agree with Dag's argument and I'm going to Vote: Furien, it's possible she knew the name of Zelda's Smash Attack (lolwikipedia) and simply reasoned that that would be the obvious other choice.
I'm also getting a scummy vibe from Kiriwe and S.A.W (a bit weak though and no real reason.)
Unknown2009-02-19 00:13:51
Also, on me missing the Sandbag :'(
kiriwe2009-02-19 00:17:27
Ok, leave Furien alone.
We can't confirm the other second in command thing because their "bad guy" hasn't been taken out yet. The only reason, I think, Furien and I have been so forthcoming is because Ganondorf is dead. Therefore, no immediate consequences of revealing information.
I can totally understand making a mistake. Lets back off for now, and if anything scummy comes from him in the future, we can target him again at that point.
Let's look at some other people?
We can't confirm the other second in command thing because their "bad guy" hasn't been taken out yet. The only reason, I think, Furien and I have been so forthcoming is because Ganondorf is dead. Therefore, no immediate consequences of revealing information.
I can totally understand making a mistake. Lets back off for now, and if anything scummy comes from him in the future, we can target him again at that point.
Let's look at some other people?
Furien2009-02-19 00:18:35
Sigh. Okay. If you guys are going to be genuinely smrt and consider lynching your one investigator that has a reliable protective power, suit yourself. Just keep this stuff in mind if you're really going to listen to Daganev's straw-grasping and theorycrafting.
1. You win with the Big Four. If they fall, you win with the rebels. <---From Ganondorf's role. WIN WITH THE BIG FOUR FIRST. Notice that I've discovered who a member of the Big Four is and have yet to reveal them. Push me more and I might, because I'm honestly sick of dealing with Daganev.
2. Once again, Zelda pairing with Ganondorf. No.
3. Never played SSBB, but that's not worth much.
4. Break the smash ball tomorrow to confirm I'm right: daily event or character-specific power. Light Arrows. It's even in my role flavour text.
1. You win with the Big Four. If they fall, you win with the rebels. <---From Ganondorf's role. WIN WITH THE BIG FOUR FIRST. Notice that I've discovered who a member of the Big Four is and have yet to reveal them. Push me more and I might, because I'm honestly sick of dealing with Daganev.
2. Once again, Zelda pairing with Ganondorf. No.
3. Never played SSBB, but that's not worth much.
4. Break the smash ball tomorrow to confirm I'm right: daily event or character-specific power. Light Arrows. It's even in my role flavour text.
kiriwe2009-02-19 00:19:32
Wait, I'm scummy?
Care to explain?
Care to explain?
Fania2009-02-19 00:19:58
QUOTE (Archer2 @ Feb 18 2009, 04:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Holy crap. People have revealed so much valuable information on Day 1 it's ridiculous.
I'm a bit disappointed myself. Takes some of the fun out of it.
Unknown2009-02-19 00:22:35
Hm alright. Unvote.
Furien, can you confirm Kiriwe at all though? I'm having a hard time believing she's Midna. And when I think about it, you claiming Zelda, there's most certainly a Zelda in this game and I'm certain they'd have outed you if you lied.
No. 1's the main reason I'm unvoting. I don't think you mentioned who you investigated either.
I'm thinking the "prescences" for a No Lynch are the three of the Big Bad most opposed to violence. They probably cannot vote to lynch anyone at all and must vote No Lynch every day.
Furien, can you confirm Kiriwe at all though? I'm having a hard time believing she's Midna. And when I think about it, you claiming Zelda, there's most certainly a Zelda in this game and I'm certain they'd have outed you if you lied.
No. 1's the main reason I'm unvoting. I don't think you mentioned who you investigated either.
I'm thinking the "prescences" for a No Lynch are the three of the Big Bad most opposed to violence. They probably cannot vote to lynch anyone at all and must vote No Lynch every day.
Unknown2009-02-19 00:23:23
QUOTE (Kiriwe y'Kaliath @ Feb 19 2009, 12:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wait, I'm scummy?
Care to explain?
Care to explain?
Just a bit, in that no one else has confirmed roles outside of the SSBB roster.