Perhaps I have missed someone else saying this but I am missing where the alliances, RP, etc. are really the core problem here. No, it doesn't help that you have mega orgs that form to crush opposition. But the real problem is simply that at end game, the only interesting thing to do in Lusternia is raid. Or defend from raids.

People raid because it's challenging, it's fun, and frankly, they are bored. Continuing to make it so that it's more difficult to raid and people can do it less often is only going to make it so that people have less to do and less reason to even log on. Besides raiding in some form or another, is there anything anyone else can think of that a reasonably sized group of demigods can do together? I suppose they could stand about RPing but honestly, these are achiever types. They want to achieve something. RPing doesn't exactly fit the bill. Unless it's an event of course.

This has always been the real problem. Yet what gets addressed is inevitably making it more difficult to raid. It doesn't matter how difficult it is. If it is the only game in town, it is what people will do.

You could go fight Serenwilde in Domoth battles! Yay Demigod conflict!

Stage one is fun. Stage two is like sex with a cactus. Slow, careful, and ultimately painful for everyone involved.

Stage one is fun. Stage two is like sex with a cactus. Slow, careful, and ultimately painful for everyone involved.

Yes domoths don't exactly spring to mind when one thinks of "fun conflict".

So, raiding isn't the only game in town, it's just the easiest, and the only one they want to play.

Well it's a game. People tend to do that which is most entertaining unless they have good reason to do something else. Given that raiding is on demand while domoths are not (and you actually have to wait for the person who holds it to decide when you can fight them for it except when two go free in the new year in which case all bets are off), it's not really all that hard to see why one is more likely to happen than the other.

Also, there really isn't much to do at the end game barring raid, so I agree that limiting it further without also opening up other 'avenues' will not do anything.

Burnt bridges make for no crossing!

But you could also just focus and train up a bunch of pkers for glom and then rule the world.

Wth is this?

So, raiding isn't the only game in town, it's just the easiest, and the only one they want to play.

Well, it's the only game in town that you can do at any time. Domoths, village and weakenings are regulated.

For those who think quests shouldn't harm other organizations, I observe that people WANT to hurt other organizations which is the whole point of conflict quests. I totally understand that and why it's nice to have a mechanism in place where you can hurt your enemies. The question is when is enough enough? And what's the best way to monitor it when that point is reached?

I heard a couple of people mention a more permanent, or long lasting, end-game result when the ultimate victory is reached (i.e., destroying the Star/Necromentate/Hart/Crow), which was the whole reason for the suggestion of extending the period where the ultimate mobs are invulnerable. You just won (and collected a lot of power), so give the other guys a chance to catch their collective breath. You could still, of course, raid normally for essence, etc.

At the risk of being tongue-thrashed again, I'd hate to see the game's mechanics change because of something like this when it shouldn't even get that far. All it would take to make the game more enjoyable for everyone is if every player would exercise a bit of restraint and try to respect their opponents. I've seen a game changed drastically because of this very thing and it ruins them.