Shiri's thing makes sense.

Unvote. Vote Shiri

Casilu already stated that the converts don't know. She said it would be too easy.

Wait, what?

So, why are you voting for Shiri?

@Daganev: I knew I forgot something about the bomber bit. Although, can you clarify how you find Shiri's logic bad? And why are you voting for Silferras?

A couple things:
1. Jack put himself out there for no reason. This is reason number 1 -100 to NOT lynch him yet.
2. Becaues the game started at night, a no lynch is a bad idea. We have people who have info. But if the game started during the day, a no lynch would make mathematical sense. It would also be almost impossible to find the joker on day one, meaning we would only help the joker. But it's irrelevant. The fact that shiri wants to use bad logic and make arguments that don't fit this game at all, tells me there is something off about him.

I know the abnormals don't know who the Joker is, but the Joker (presumably) knows who they are.

Your second paragraph is meaningless to me. Jack works in the joker's favour even if he's telling the truth so I don't know why you posted those sentences.

@Daganev: let's see: no explanation of why the logic is bad, Caerulo seems to think it's just fine, all the reasoning laid out on the post, dubious no lynch claim from earlier in the thread which you didn't respond to, random vote on Silferras, random lynch on me if Silferras doesn't work out...all signs that you're kind of worried about the plan for exactly the reasons I described.

HOWEVER, fair enough on the possibility that he's a jester. You're right, that is something I missed, and that complicates the table a bit.

Solanis: ????

What are you on today Solanis?



Yeah, I want to know where that jump came from too. Why Silferras?

This is why I am voting for Silferras.

Notice the lack of new thoughts or reasoning.

Firstly, we need to realise that this isn't a normal mafia game, and we're not out to kill all anti-town. We're out to prevent the Joker from winning on his conditions, which would be the complete conversion of all vanilla townies. With this in mind, how is Shiri's logic 'bad'?

Also, if you look at Jack's argument, he's completely convinced that claiming what he claimed will give him complete immunity to lynching. Given that he believes that we all will follow this view, what's the disadvantage, in his opinion, not to claim?

wat.



It's not irrelevant at all. You posted this bad reasoning when it's the same on night or day. We have no cop in this game. And if Jack was a townie playing normally there's not much cause to reveal the bomb thing (unless he was in danger of lynching) in the hopes a scum would target him later. The argument obviously makes sense if you don't account for the jester thing, which I simply forgot about the possibility of.

My bad...late post. Stupid tv distracting me.

I was just amusing myself (again), but since daganev said something and he's PRO!!!!111 I'll just hold my vote for now.

In fact, Unvote: whoever I'm voting. Vote: Daganev. Even if my reasoning was somehow bad, you can't deny that it's in the joker's interests NOT to have Jack die, since his win condition is dependant on abnormals. Daganev trying to avert that (and attacking someone voting for Jack, and pointing suspicion at a person trying to get Jack lynched in the long run) is definitely scummy behaviour.

What? The Joker could care less who dies and who doesn't. As long as it isn't him. Especially this early in the game.

Who are these people you refer to? Given that we begin with one Joker and 16 vanilla, and given that the Joker's conversion succeeds, we have two people who are non-vanilla today: the Joker, and the convertee. If the convertee has no idea who the Joker is, and assuming that s/he cannot perform a night action on the night s/he is converted, who's going to be coming forth with information? The Joker?

Shiri, I think you are forgetting why a no lynch early on in the game is bad for the town. In the case of a single non vanila townies person, a no lynch is your best bet. However, it's not a good idea now, because we have 2 non vanila townies, not 1.

Why not...it eliminates at least one townie, maybe two if Jack is pro-town. At this point we only know that if we do vote for Jack the last voter might die. I'm not ready for the possibility of taking out two pro-town people.

To point 2: Could you clarify what bad logic is he using? Is it with reference to his plan, or his other posts?

@Shiri: So what if the Joker knows who are the abnormals? How would such knowledge help the Joker?

My second paragraph was in response to your post that says that the Joker's priority would be to convert as many scum as possible. I'm disagreeing with that, seeing as scum wouldn't help the Joker win if he is dead, unlike what you said.

?? Nobody comes forth with information. People give off information with thier actions. The Joker, and one other person now know that they have unique win condition. They therefore act differently than they would otherwise. That is all.

If we lynch a mutated townie, that means we're not lynching a vanilla townie. Jester wants us to lynch as many vanillas, makes his job easier.