I'll be awake maybe an hour and a half before the deadline. I'll do a vote count then.

Current vote count:
Casilu 3 (Othero, Archer, Furien)
Daganev 7 (Dugan, Bali, Tekora, Silferras, Shaddus, Casilu, Diamondais)
Shaddus 2 (Shiri, Arix)
Bali 1 (Daganev)
Arix 1 (Kiriwe)

But we only confirm what we "know" at this moment, we won't gain new information like we will if we figure out a third party to lynch/investigate.

On the other hand, we don't want to lynch someone and have them have a good power, just to have casilu rez them, and then have the mafia kill them that night. (btw Kiriwe, that's another reason why you don't want to "save" casilu's power once it is known)

So, I say lynch me now, Casilu rez me, and if I don't come back alive, Lynch Casilu the next day.

I think it's as good a plan as we will get.

vote Daganev

oh hmmmmmmmm. Come to think of it, do we know if Casilu's rezz is day or night? (I want an answer to this and then I guess I'll finish Daganev off, if we must do it that way...)

by her own post, she said if she could rez a daykill, the landlord would be back, which implies it's a night ability.

I'll assume day, since I have to post it in the thread.

As I explained in my previous post, that is just stupid. Here is how your scenario works out.

Day X: Lynch awesome power townie (APT)
Night Y: Rez APT
Day Y: APT is alive and kicking
Night Z: APT get's killed
result: Rez wasted, no new info

er, rez a nightkill, rather

oh crap!

unvote

I'm guessing we lynch someone, and then she pulls out shock paddles

you neglected to figure a doctor or other protective role into this equation, but I can see that I am not going to win this argument.

Yeah, we now have to rely on Casilu surviving the night for the rezz to work. Kiriwe, for a similar reasoning, holding onto it forever is not going to work. The scum will just kill her. Besides, since she can only rezz from lynches, we would have to be consistently playing badly and get a critical role like doctor (which has its own set of problems) or roleblocker for your scenario to even show up.

I didn't really neglect it, I just didn't want to waste time with all the permutations of what if this, what if that. Besides we allready have one form of protection dead.

So, doctor, if you exist or bodyguard, or whomever really! please protect Casilu through the night.

well, then, who are you going to train on now, since your plan seems to have a fatal flaw.

What? If you were referring to me, no it doesn't. Yours does. We still need to kill Shaddus (IMO), or Balizar or Arix if we must, before the deadline is up. Which is in like 8 hours and most people are going to sleep soon, so it needs to be really fast. We don't have a lot of time to shift people's votes and Shaddus is the best option for a lynch. Sure, if we're wrong and Casilu is telling the truth but gets nightkilled, we lose out, but it's not like we can afford to do anything else at this stage. He's a better option than Daganev because the same thing about Casilu being NKed applies there, AND we know his role and power already so it's easier to follow up on him.

well, I'm keeping my vote where it is. there are enough people active to swing to Shaddus right now

OMFG, I have abandoned that, if you hadn't noticed the "I can see I'm not going to win this argument"
Let me put it simpler: ok, you win. Lynch somebody to prove Casilu isn't scum.

If we are going to lynch somebody, can we lynch somebody actually scummy?

Yes. Like Shaddus. That's what I'm saying.

Meh, If casilu doesn't survie the night, I still havn't figured out when my skill is usefull for the town untill the end game, and even then, that would only be assuming that my skill came as a surprise to the mafia, which it won't anymore.

vote dagane

It's the best shot we have in the circumstances.

We either lose 2 townies, or we stay neutral for the day and just have info. I think it's the best we can ask for in the circumstances.

And in that case, I will make this my last will and testement


A - Bali -- If he doesn't come up with a good explanation of his actions this day, Lynch him, and lynch him quickly.
C - Daganev - I'm a clockmaker, and I like playing so hopefully I'll get rezzed!
D - Dugan -- Very shifty. He's been attacking me and Shiri all game in one way or another. Considering who got killed on night 0, I think he's very suspcious.
E - Solanis -- Where has he been? Needs prodding.
F - Celina -- Nothing new here, same as she always is.
G - Diamondais -- Same.
H - Tekora -- Agressive as usual, and voted 3rd so he put a target on himself, but otherwise he might be town.
J - Jack -- suspciously absent, might be lurking might just not care. Worth investigating.
M - Casilu -- If not a medic, then scum. So Lynch if she is alive and I'm not.
N - Arix -- Being odd as usual.
P - Othero -- Voted number 3, might be scum if Casilu is a medic, cleared if casilu is scum.
R - Kiriwe -- 90% certain she is town.
S - Shiri -- I can't read him at all this game, so who knows.
T - Saaga -- Needs prodding.
U - Furien -- Needs prodding.
V - Archer -- Might be scum, needs massive prodding.
X - Silferras -- Havn't been paying attention to Silferras at all. (I even mised the vote change)
Z - Shaddus -- If Casilu is scum, Shaddus needs to be killed, otherwise, he just needs to be investigated.

I hope this post is a waste of time and I'm alive tommorow, but who knows.

Daganev has a point, there are a lot of lurkers