Oh, I was skimming and just saw Malicia saying totems is better and was wondering who was trying to argue it.

That's why skimming is bad for you!

I trusted the people in this argument not to throw random tangents! Not my fault.

You're on the internet. Completely your fault.

I agree, totems rocks.

If the problem is that fearaura is too awesome at splitting groups, then just have the actual 'I shiver and run away' tick after the generic message.

What I mean is...

Right now I believe it's like this:

Shuyin has OP fearaura and hits you!
Omg you're scared and run away into another room cause you don't compose fast enough (read: instantly).

It'll be:

Shuyin has OP fearaura and hits you!
(x seconds later)
Omg you're scared and run away cause even with a bigger gap in time between tick and afflict, you still didn't compose.

That still wouldn't address the issue of wolf totem/lumuti giving 100% resistance to fear.

Such a simple but effective solution, isn't it?

@Nydekion: Then you are suggesting fearaura isn't the issue, but wolf/lumuti. In which case, I must disagree.

COMPOSE giving 100% resistance to everyone would. Unless you're one of those classes trying to pull of a timed insta (which I don't think is any class with Wolf, so it doesn't matter).

PBs can take totems and have a timed insta, but yeah, I'd say that fearaura is more detrimental to cities than communes due to abilities that grant fear immunity. Having a delay is more a bandaid solution than actually addressing it.

Lumuti was crap, why even bother to put it up if you're going to be perma off-balance from auto-kata, anyway?

I find the timing of this thread interesting. That's all I will say on the subject.



For now.

/tangent

Rofl what, the thread's title seems to imply that you have an issue with fearaura. A solution was presented, and yet you say, 'but WOLF is still AWESOME'. Maybe you should rename this thread instead.

On another tangent, personally, after learning that rubeus is a -chance- to fade, and doesn't actually always fade on affliction, I weep buttery, Exerytey tears for cities at this unfairness of unfairnesses.

I don't understand your point. You seem to imply that concern must be limited to one or the other. I think Malicia's first post clearly states the problem is that fear aura is more useful/powerful for the side that has passive immunity to fear. Therefore, it's logical to imply you address this problem by means of wolf totem or fear aura.

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Much like charismatic aura/immunity were nerfed to not provide 100% resistance to disloyalty/poison, I think the best solution (and the trend at this point) is to make Wolf Totem only give a percentage resistance. I'd say 50% would be sufficient.

He's saying that the entire concern is nullified by giving everyone an opportunity to compose. If you fail to compose, the separate-but-equal (questionable in this instance, but hey) division of Wolf and Rubeus comes into play.



I can!

Actually, I have trouble seeing the converse. Warriors would probably benefit more from totems because so much of it is passive, but for casters, puella is much better than Tree (when Tree is working at all), laetitia is much better than Sun (when Sun is working at all), draconis is better than Snake, Rituals has two stat boosts that at least have the potential to be useful to casters and warriors alike, as opposed to Bear which never does anything for a caster, puer compensates for cloth very nicely, amissio and carcer are essential class skills, and none of it comes with location restrictions.

Wolf is better than Rubeus. This is true. Taken as a whole, though, Rituals is not lacking at all compared to similar skills. Basically the whole Rituals AB is in the paragraph above. The stuff that's leftover would come down to playstyle, like conjuctio vs. Groundhog, or via vs. ...um...Squirrel.

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It's really quite superficial and useless to consider Rituals vs. Totems without considering classes as a whole. Is Puella really better than tree when we also consider Moon users gain Waxing? Probably not.

I likewise don't see how Draconis (18 dmp to magic) is better than Snake (25 dmp to poison). Bearing in mind, Moon/Night get Aura/Garb, which covers magic damage (Garb also covers poison damage). Overall, everyone is getting some benefit from both types so it's better to have more benefit than less.

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Of course, one could argue for days in this fashion so I think it's fairly moot. The bottom line is that fear aura has a huge impact on group combat and should either be nerfed -or- wolf totem should be less of an absolute immunity.

I'm pretty sure he's proposing a fearaura nerf.

My point was that he can't really harp on someone asking for a Wolf Totem nerf because it's an equally viable solution to the problem. Absolute immunities have been on the decline, and I don't see why it's so sinful to go that route versus the other.

I'd argue that scent alone makes Totems at least as good as Rituals.

Oh, and Wolf is an incredibly effective, tactic-killing def. I hate trying to squall when I could just caw instead. I'm not about to knock that. You should read my reply to you as a reply to you and my reply to Rika as a reply to Rika. I think you'll find a lot more sense in context. I'd happily argue with you over the relative usefulness of Rituals and Totems, but this thread really isn't the place for it, and with the full range of skills available to each class at tri-trans, there's not enough of a balance issue for anyone to get their panties in a twist.