Improving Alchemy

by Yiro

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Yiro2009-05-14 15:32:33
Though currently you can only make 10 batches of whatever potion/salve you're wanting to make, I feel it should be like Concoctions in the other IRE games where you can put as many of the proportions as you feel, and it will make them just fine. I vote we increase it so you're able to do an entire keg refill, maybe at a longer balance cost, or maybe more power drawn from the powerstone/reserves.
Zynna2009-05-14 15:39:57
It would be nice if you could do that with enchantment and cubes as well.
Ayisdra2009-05-14 15:53:16
QUOTE (Yiro @ May 14 2009, 11:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Though currently you can only make 10 batches of whatever potion/salve you're wanting to make, I feel it should be like Concoctions in the other IRE games where you can put as many of the proportions as you feel, and it will make them just fine. I vote we increase it so you're able to do an entire keg refill, maybe at a longer balance cost, or maybe more power drawn from the powerstone/reserves.



Why increase the power or any cost? You can make a whole keg if you wanted. it just takes a bit. but I do agree I wish I could make more than 10 batches at a time, but if it is increased, I don't want to pay more than it would be to just make ten batches of ten.
Yiro2009-05-14 17:08:10
I was leaning more towards equilibrium or balance cost, sort of like when Inscribing Tarot cards, more you make the longer you're off equilibrium/balance etc.
Lendren2009-05-14 17:19:56
I don't know if Alchemy needs to be faster, but even if it does, Enchantment needs to be faster a lot more, and especially cubes. I could get refilled every one of my 20-30 kegs in the time it takes to get just one of my six cubes recharged, and have loads of time left over. All of enchanting takes forever, but cubes are just ridiculously long, and should do about 5-10 times as much per tick. On the day I get all six cubes recharged, I don't plan to do anything else for the entire (RL) day.
Yiro2009-05-14 17:27:46
I'll enchant them for you! But digression. Cubes could be a bit faster, taking 5 charges helps, but maybe have it drain 10-20 per tick to satisfy the crowd?


EDIT: Perhaps do like ENCHANT 10 MERCY ON RING and just have a total equilibrium loss? Controls charges done, does it faster, and could still seem viable.
Xiel2009-05-14 17:55:11
...go go sugaring a batch of 100? Also, get some Gloves if you wanna go faster. 5 powerstones to fill a cube = half the time to charge one than normal! biggrin.gif

wub.gif my Gloves.
Noola2009-05-14 18:05:26
Don't you sometimes come up with sugar or something when you try to make potions/salves? So, wouldn't batching big bundles of it at once risk you turning your hundreds of herbs into sugar instead of your tens of herbs? I'd rather take a little longer and not have something like that happen, personally. Or am I misunderstanding how it works?
Xiel2009-05-14 18:08:21
QUOTE (Noola @ May 14 2009, 11:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Don't you sometimes come up with sugar or something when you try to make potions/salves? So, wouldn't batching big bundles of it at once risk you turning your hundreds of herbs into sugar instead of your tens of herbs? I'd rather take a little longer and not have something like that happen, personally. Or am I misunderstanding how it works?


That's right. It's painful sugaring a batch of 10 magicink (which requires 100 sparkleberries and 100 goldtint @ 2 gold bars and 1 faeleaf per goldtint). I'd die a little bit inside if I sugared a batch of 100. blackeye.gif
Diamondais2009-05-14 18:31:29
QUOTE (Noola @ May 14 2009, 02:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Don't you sometimes come up with sugar or something when you try to make potions/salves? So, wouldn't batching big bundles of it at once risk you turning your hundreds of herbs into sugar instead of your tens of herbs? I'd rather take a little longer and not have something like that happen, personally. Or am I misunderstanding how it works?

You haven't misunderstood at all.

Personally, at the costs of some of the potions, I wouldn't want the option to be able to make more than 10. Sugaring batches of 10 is painful enough for me.
Yiro2009-05-14 19:38:46
Perhaps it can still carry the odds of sugaring for every batch of ten. Meaning it makes 10 batches if you do the entire keg.

Example:

Alembic is holding:
batch of healing
batch of healing
batch of healing
sugar
batch of healing
batch of healing
batch of healing
sugar
sugar
batch of healing
Noola2009-05-14 19:50:26
Does it take THAT long the way it is now?
Yiro2009-05-14 19:56:18
No not really, its just an idea, hence why its in this category.
Diamondais2009-05-14 20:11:16
QUOTE (Yiro @ May 14 2009, 03:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Perhaps it can still carry the odds of sugaring for every batch of ten. Meaning it makes 10 batches if you do the entire keg.

Example:

Alembic is holding:
batch of healing
batch of healing
batch of healing
sugar
batch of healing
batch of healing
batch of healing
sugar
sugar
batch of healing

I think you're raising the odds of it right there way too much, there are times of extreme bad luck where the RNG punishes you for whatever inanity that results in mass sugaring.

Either way, I think this idea is unnecessary when it comes to Alchemy.

I've never been an enchanter and done work, so if anyone got a speedup or the ability to do more at once, I would prefer it them as to make up f or all the times I abused and tortured those poor, poor enchanters.
Yiro2009-05-15 00:36:03
I don't know the actual odds of when you sugar something, sheesh, it was an example of showing that each brew has the chance.

But it was just an idea, since other skills in IRE games you can do this.
Xavius2009-05-15 02:22:01
Filling a keg takes 40 seconds as a faeling. You go ask herbalists and enchanters how they feel about us raking in 5k gold in less than a minute.
Esano2009-05-15 03:44:34
QUOTE (Xiel @ May 15 2009, 03:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
...go go sugaring a batch of 100? Also, get some Gloves if you wanna go faster. 5 powerstones to fill a cube = half the time to charge one than normal! biggrin.gif

wub.gif my Gloves.

No, it doesn't (shouldn't?) take half the time. It takes exactly the same amount of time, but half the powerstones. It takes half the charge from the powerstone, it doesn't bestow double the charge on the cube.
Yiro2009-05-15 16:35:03
QUOTE (Esano @ May 14 2009, 10:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No, it doesn't (shouldn't?) take half the time. It takes exactly the same amount of time, but half the powerstones. It takes half the charge from the powerstone, it doesn't bestow double the charge on the cube.


Your right, it doesn't half the time..but...maybe a suggestion for the Gloves of Mastery to charge a cube with 10 instead of 5 each go (thus truly halving the time) while still only costing the 5 stones...just faster and cheaper for the paying customer!
Xiel2009-05-15 21:40:26
QUOTE (Esano @ May 14 2009, 08:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No, it doesn't (shouldn't?) take half the time. It takes exactly the same amount of time, but half the powerstones. It takes half the charge from the powerstone, it doesn't bestow double the charge on the cube.


Orite. Darn you with your logic.

...I still wub.gif my Gloves though. cloud9.gif
Yiro2009-05-15 23:21:50
I love mine too, and don't worry, your gloves love you back!