I'll have to agree with Yiro on this one. There should still be risk involved in bashing. I mean it does suck when you die in a Prime ambush while you're XPing, but the Avenger mitigates this.

If I'm to give into any of the idea, it'd be reducing defenders (org specific) exp loss by half.

I would be fine with removing xp loss. I think it's an outdated mechanic for punishing death.

Instead do like a max health penalty for 15 or 30 minutes, or a stat penalty for 15 - 30 minutes.



I was there when that weakening was going on...it would have been a waste of time and effort. I'm not complaining, though, because we didn't make that effort, but the effort didn't need to be made.

Security could have saved a construct or two from being destroyed.

When you die on WoW or GW, you receive a temporary loss in health/mana/whatever.

That sucks. Don't do it.

Yeah, raise sickness would stop people entirely until it wore off.

One man is not going to going to make it past the first room when there are 20+ people in there. Anyways, I want to stick to solutions on how to promote activity in all organizations, even the losing ones.

Death, grace, enter construct. Believe this has been gone over.

rofl.

Anyway,

the health loss isn't a big deal - much better than the time it takes to bash up the xp you lose from dying. But I think there should also be an NPC healer which you could pay to remove the penalty. I don't know about WoW, but GW provides an easy way to remove the penalty.

And Yiro, I didn't want to die, grace, and enter construct. That's retarded, and I'm glad me or no one else thought to do it.

Like it was mentioned by Zynna. Nobody thought of abusing grace. We're not all that devious.


LOL

Just saying there were options, also, Mag was never asked to come help defend before people in Celest started to QQ, so its still over Celest's heads for not trying.

Why is it lame? Why should bashing actually have such a hefty a risk associated with it? I don't see people getting demigod faster as a problem, not isnce we have so many anyway and it's almost becoming a requirement for high-end combat.

Edit: I know this has been brought up before (about a year ago maybe?) but I don't think it should be dismissed.

Its lame because you no longer have to worry about your character's limits. "Oh, there three things in here the will jump me, but its okay, I won't lose anything!" That's the concept behind removing exp loss.

I'm going to have to stand with a firm "no" concerning "rez sickness" or whatever the :censor: you want to call it. After the implementation of that, people will start chatting about the dumbest :censor: on public channels like CT.

Oh wait...




God damn it...

Heh, lovely connection.

lol, I do that often and enjoy the interactions I get from people. It helps break the ice across the city.

That is the trade-off. A bit of a prayer-wait, power spent re-deffing, a bit of time lost and a slightly more reckless approach to the game (which I would prefer. Lusternia needs to be a little more pick up and play.) That is placed against a multiple number of hours regaining lost experiance, frustration, bashing burn-out, but with a more 'gritty' feel to the game and slightly more care in a players actions.

I'm firmly in favour of the first

When I first started in Glom, the typcial defense attitude was "Why Bother?" We'll just die and we'll just waste experience and etc etc etc"

When the Night Altar was destroyed, we were outmatched, we were outmelded and we were not organized in the slightest. I think Nyir was running around trying to break melds and stay alive, Xavius was trying operating the construct, I think Kundu and some people took to aetherspace to stop the bombarding, and the rest of us were running around on the ground, trying to stop them. No one was leading, we were a disorganized mess, People were just trying stuff where as Serenwilde had it's demi-squad, Shuyin, Viynain, Gregori, Sarrasri, and others and were organized and murdering us left and right. The people running around on the ground died -dozens- of times except Nyir, because she's slippery.

They -barely- destroyed the Night Altar. If we had just brushed it off like Glomdoring of old, they easily could have gotten two.

If Celest had organized some sort of defense, people grouping together and actually attempting to defend, We may have only gotten two, if we were lucky. We had three bombarders, that were single people in a ship, one celestian ship with a couple combateers would have easily stopped that. An organized group would have prevented us from focusing negative. The point is, any group effort to defend, would have slowed us down and made it immensely harder to destroy two much less four. I refuse to believe that defending would have done nothing. If you had defended and we still got all four, then I would feel bad, but sending people in one at a time and one half-assed defense attempt, is not trying, it's giving up. who cares if you die and lose experience, you can get it back, all it takes is one person to encourage and others to follow and give it a shot. You fail once, try to figure out why you failed and try again, keep trying, don't give up and make it as hard as you can for them. Give it everything, try new things, give em hell. You can ask Shuyin, or Viynain, or any one of those serenwilders, We died so much but kept going back and they -barely- succeeded. If we can do that, I refuse to believe Celest couldn't

This really only truly effects the higher leveled people. I think its just fine the way it is. While Lusternia is a fantasy world, it needs to hold to some realism. By this I mean people don't just go pick fights because they don't have to worry about dying. No, people are more cautious and pick their fights...unless you're an idiot and pull a Leeroy Jenkins.

Yes, because you were obviously there, in Celest, and know what we could or could not have done.

Both sides of this argument are being ridiculous. The constructs will be back eventually, and in the mean time they aren't that important. I hate discretionary powers anyway, so maybe if we could take down Seren/Glom/Mags constructs, the game would be about twice as fun because of it.

On the other side, no, we had absolutely nothing to defend with considering the defenses already in place and the people who were available. Saying that we should have sent people up to die, get grace, then get in a construct is probably the dumbest thing I have ever heard, and it makes me happy that no one was lame enough in Celest to think of that. Congratulations, though, because apparently many of the people suggesting it are.

And refuse to believe what you want. Even if we could have put something like that together to hinder the progess, it wouldn't have been worth the personal xp and time loss.