First off, this will be very risky for me, as I have role restrictions.

Okay, VOTE: DUGAN

I just recalled this:



Here is a recap of our known investigator's results:
-Llandros:
Alignment


-Dugan
Win condition

NOTE:
Dugan might have other abilities which we do not know about. He might've had the ability to choose what to learn of his targets. (This will be explained in the later sections of this post)

What really caught me attention was his ability.

First off, I don't think it's reasonable to have a game where two investigators who get the same results are part of the same faction (town,scum)

Also, let us keep in mind that post 1248 above was made when a train was forming on Shamarah.

This is the scenario I have in mind:

Shaddus, Dugan, and Shamarah are part of the same faction.
Note that:
-Shaddus can communicate with Dugan and Shamarah based from his role
-Although we do not know whether Dugan and Shamarah can communicate with each other, any vital information/discussion/plan would have
been most likely relayed by Shaddus to the two of them
-Given that Shamarah is part of their faction, these two things are likely to be the case:
1.)Shamarah is indeed a 'survivor', with no other special skills aside from being part of the faction that kills people. Shamarah would still win.
2.)Dugan was lying about Shamarah's role. (This will be explained in the next paragraph)

Suddenly, a few posts before post 1248, someone suggests that we vote for Shamarah. We can imagine that the three of them would have made a plan to:

1.)reveal Dugan's ability to investigate, thereby gaining the trust of the players
2.)make it seem that he used his ability on Shamarah and thus obtained his win condition, pretty much 'confirming' Shamarah's 'role'
3.)now Dugan and Shamarah are off the list of the suspicious people, they can egg the town members into voting for those not part of their faction

I also have the following scenario in mind:


Note that before we went for Rika, a few people wanted to go for Kira. Dugan somehow 'cleared'/ 'clarified' her as not scum and went against Rika.

The following is what I have in mind:

Given that Dugan investigated Rika the night before we lynched her, and found out about her win condition OR he might have found out about her ability OR he he found out about both her ability and win condition. Given that Rika's abilities could be dangerous as it allows us to kill one more person without the day ending, he might have jumped at the chance to leave her out of the game. We have to admit, Rika was being 'scummy' and had the aura of 'lurkiness' around her, so he might've investigated her to learn whether she was someone with dangerous powers.

When people started going for Kira, he 'cleared'/'clarified' Kira by saying he used his abilities on her as well. He really didn't need to, as Kira wasn't part of their faction. He used the situation to shift the attention on Rika, who was most prone to lynching because of her bad vibes.Of course, people are bound not to ask him to investigate Rika as he claimed he used his abilites on Kira already.

With Rika out of the way, the faction might've resolved to planning their next move.

Dugan is now on my radar because of his ability's/investigation's result.

What I'm suggesting now is we lynch Dugan and ask Zynna to nightkill Shamarah.

That defense all falls flat because Dugan was pushing for a Shamarah lynch and didn't back away until it was said that he was most likely a survivor.

I think you missed the 'the three of them are conspiring' part that I intended to be seen.

No I didn't. It is still an outlandish plan that requires jumping through hoops of convoluted logic to succeed. My vote stays on Shiri.

Really? How outlandish is it?

Also, it won't require jumping through hoops of convulted logic at all since both of them did not have a known association prior to this. IF we knew they were somehow connected BEFORE this happened, then they would've needed to pass through the eye of a needle for it to actually work.

Somewhere on the opposite side of the moon on the outlandish scale. Because scum does not drag attention to one of their fellow members by claiming that they investigated them as a scum, only to be wrong and make them "only" survivor. The probability of that being true, as opposed to Shiri just having defended Solanis to be given reason to be thought of as town, is minimal.

Reeeally? Take not that the scenarios are not the main point of my argument. Refer to the bolded words please. Thank you.

What? That Dugan investigated him as survivor? That is your main argument? We certainly know who Dia should be killing tonight then.

Oh and the words close to the bolded ones might help

Go read up on the Smash Bros game. That game had four investigators. An affiliation investigator, a name investigator, a power investigator and an all-purpose investigator. Multiple kinds of investigators do exist and can appear in various shapes.

Fine. I posted a little to late prior to the one pointing you to the bolded words. My mistake for forgetting to bold this:

Yes. those are four DIFFERENT investigators.

They're not the same. One gets affiliation, one gets win-condition. You're grasping at straws here.

Goodness. I'M not talking of LLANDROS AND DUGAN.

So who else are these two investigators who get the same result you're talking about?

That, my friend, would have been very obvious by now.

Yeah... no. You can loaf around that much and still not cough up an actual investigation. Yeah, I don't believe you.

Kira, your game is...I'll just say it is not a good example of a typical mafia game. Casilu's are a little out of there, but the idea that the town has multiple investigators is still not that wise to go on with the assumption of. HOWEVER: if Daganev's random guess is wrong and Llandros' results were just arbitrary (and maybe even if Daganev was right, since it was clearly confusing enough to get us to almost-lynch him) there isn't really any reason to assume Dugan is scum. Dugan has gone and tried to defend both Rika and Kiradawea as town before they claimed - and in Kira's case even before we had any particular reason to suspect her other than process of elimination. I think it's reaching too far to suspect that the Dugan-Shamarah thing was a premeditated plan at this point - it's clearly possible, it's just not worth considering this late in the game.

Siam is implying that both he and Dugan now get win condition (which is the same as affiliation in almost all cases I can think of, Kira...) That is also what Llandros got. The possibilities seem to be that one is a scum investigator, both are town investigators, or Dugan is a town investigator and Siam is lying and doesn't have an investigate at all (on the one hand, the story checks out, but on the other notice how the only opportunity he gets, he "doesn't send a PM" despite night not lasting THAT long so it being unlikely Casilu would just skip him...)

@Kira: he only would have had the one opportunity since Llandros was daykilled yesterday, if he's telling the truth, so although that missed opportunity is weird it's not necessarily a case of "loafing around" or whatever.