Anyone know what the damn vote count is?

Thoughts:

Is there any advantage between -

1. Voting Llandros up to a majority (but not lynch), have rika use her claimed power to kill, then, based off of what is revealed about his corpse
a. Have Noola day kill rika. Then vote lynch on who ever is most likely non-town based off of both corpses we've created.
b. Have Noola day kill someone else based off of corpse info. Lynch another (Or rika at this point if it came back to her) after that.

or

2. Noola day kill rika, then, based off of what is revealed about her corpse
a. Lynch Llandros
b. Lynch someone else if there's enough convincing evidence to believe someone else is more of a threat/Llandros is not non-town.

If rika's power claim is truthful, she could be non-town, but if it really is limited to only two kills for the ENTIRE game, that doesn't seem like SK or anything.

Personally, I won't fault Noola for going either way. Both seem advantageous in their own respects.

#1 might be worthwhile if we could do it, but unfortunately I don't think we can. I think Rika implied earlier that it was basically a command ninja lynch rather than a daykill (? might be wrong on this.) I would be highly distrustful of anything she posts to that effect now, but if you guys take a different reading from her earlier posts (that is, that they're legit but awkward-to-use daykills) this might actually be a better shot. But I don't think it's the case.

So given that I think #2 is the better plan.

Hrm. Trying to wake up and sort through some of this. As of right now, I don't believe Llandros. He claimed he is town ... an investigator, but if I remember right, he cannot reveal anything about his role. He claims to have investigated Rika and is 95% sure she is not town. If Noola uses her ability on Rika, I don't see how it will clear Llandros.

Because if she's scum it'll mean he's probably (not definitely) telling the truth (and that you're not.) If she's town, we can then lynch him before he causes any further havoc.

I'm pretty certain Rika's power is that of executioner. It forces a lynch at half required votes, so if we do rely on power-confirmation it'll bring us to night swiftly.

Honestly, I do believe Llandros. I think I've got his powers figured out, with him being a supercop similar to Snake from the Smash Bros game, and Shaddus, Siam and Dugan being secondary investigators. The thing is, if we do lynch Llandros, we have a chance of making Shaddus and Siam into investigators, if I understand the implications correctly.

That, and why would ANYONE go to such lengths as claiming "soandso" is scum in the middle of the game without something to back it up. I find it far more likely that Llandros honestly investigated Rika and got a "she's non-town" result. Otherwise, it's just too stupid a maneuver.

It depends a lot on what position the scum is in. I guess I'm just really worried that we still have a mafia group in the game, given all the townie power we've been proven to have and some that we haven't, and the 25% kill resist. I realise that we've had 3 SKs and one of them was absurdly powerful, but I'm seeing too much collusion from two different and unconfirmed teams not to suspect a really well-positioned scum team here. If they think one of them is under pressure, they might think their best option is to gank any random townie just to buy an extra day before losing one of their number. IF he was an SK it would be a pretty retarded move, but I don't think it's safe to conclude that we're all-SK yet.

ALSO scum can occasionally have investigation powers, which is of partial relevance to the situation here since we have two claimed plus claimed backups.

I know. I gave one to you remember?

But I still have the feeling that we're looking mainly for SKers, and L was quite intent on getting Light in Deathnote, who turned up SKer. That, and even assuming that Llandros is part of a mafia scum group, I don't see Llandros sacrificing himself for fellow scum-members in that way without being explicitly told to do so. Out of the people remaining I can only see three people who would think that far ahead. So unless you think Shamarah and Llandros are scum in the same faction, I still think Rika is the better choice.

I'd rather see an executioner go than someone who has hinted yet constantly denied being an investigator which may be due to roleclaim restriction.

That said, I'm find with Noola using her Bankai on Rika, and then, well, we'll start off from what we learn of Rika's corpse.

Alright, it looks like several of us (me/Siam/Kira/Allergic) are ok with Noola killing Rika, so let's go from there, Noola.

If town, kill Llandros, else Dugan, I'm thinking. Particularly with that thing where Dugan isn't sure how using it on Rika will clear Llandros.

BANKAI!

And I kill Rika.

And now we wait for casi...

*nervous shuffle*

Also, apologies in advance, rika-corpse, if we've gotten you pegged incorrectly.

Will killing Rika aide in Llandros defense ... probably. Will it clear him completely, not so sure. He stated with Rika he is 95% sure, not 100%. What has he provided other than his word? I still rephrased what I received and posted it. Granted, I got mine wrong and mis-read a survivor role ... all he has done is said that he believes she is 95% non-town. No why, no nothing. Have we had any other roles mentioned that stated they could not say anything at all about their role?

Siam and Shaddus are in the same boat as me for the same reasons

Before she can say a word, Rika's head is removed from her body.

Rika was:

Crow's shall become fine dining in the Mafia games.

Well, this changes things. Now, I'm lost.

unvote vote: llandros

yep. Dugan is now even clearer than before since unless he and Rika were scum on the same team he has no particular incentive to lie to save her from Llandros when he could just let her be lynched.

Incidentally, Dugan you should probably check out Siam tonight on the off-chance he's legit despite Llandros.

I've no idea what the vote count is, but my vote should still be sitting on Llandros.