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Vote: Furien
FOS: Daganev

Actually, no.

Unvote: Furien

Stupid no edit rule.

Weren't you one of the people who initially suggested we wait and we can find out info from the pamphlets tomorrow?

Don't forget that he is in MY GAME! We are at three SKs and counting. VOTE: SOLANIS

Attempts to circumvent relevant conversation are forever and always pro-scum.

I agree, but my point is that the conversation is no longer relevant. It's just distracting us.

We've already agreed that we will be lynching him day 3/4 regardless.

Oh, that's a good point. SKs SHOULD be on his mind.

I've got a real strong feeling that Solanis is a SK at this point.

I went back through the posts with Solanis, focusing on the SK-avoidance issue that's been raised.

This is the post that Solanis quoted when he made his response that I think was the basis for people talking about whether he was playing dumb about SKs.



To this, Solanis said:



To respond to another point raised by someone (can't remember who), Solanis asking to be inducted doesn't seem suspicious to me. He said:



But that doesn't seem scummy to me because he already stated before that he believed Furien It just sounded like he wants to be on the inside and get more information.

Going back to the main post above, Dag is the first to then raise the point of mafia vs. SKs:



Solanis then makes a statement about SKs:



Othero responds to Solanis' question and says:



Othero then brings up the idea of Solanis trying to push us away from the SK thing:



Dag thinks there might be something there and says:



Then there were the recent posts you can all read where Dag couldn't find a game where Solanis was SK, but Casilu says he's in a game where there have been 3 SKs already.

And here we are.

And having reviewed the posts, I just don't see it the basis for which people are accusing Solanis of trying to move our attention away from/play dumb about SKs. Those were the only two posts made about (or omitting) SKs, and it seems to me a large stretch to say those should be interpreted as Solanis trying to avoid/play dumb about SKs.

While it's true that mafia know who each other are and SK don't, it doesn't change his analysis of the 3 points much because if SK learns that someone is town, so long as they don't learn of town power roles, that probably helps us (in so much as SKs want to get rid of mafia first before vanilla townies). (That does raise the question of course of what happens if Furien tries to induct a SK instead of a town (lives) or mafia (dies).) And asking about SK's likely targets doesn't seem that suspicious either.

I'm not getting scum vibes from Solanis at this point.


We have one post where he only did an analysis with mafia and scum, but not SK, and the post where he asks about who SKs would target. I don't think

The Furien topic should stay dead for now. Its not like we are going to lynch him today ... it has been talked to death. In a day - two tops, he can prove his claim or if he can't he is toast. And I will think I will go ahead and ...

UNVOTE: Shaddus
VOTE: Solanis.

At the very least, a little pressure never hurts.

I should read the posts I quote more carefully. It's Othero that raises the asking to be inducted into the pamphlet clan point.



I don't see it!

Zynna, your big long post, did it get cut off?

Zynna, the key you are missing here is all of Solanis's posts before this point.

They have been informed and insightfull. He even wrote "An attempt to stop lurking".
Meaning, he has posted little, posting just enough to look helpful, but not posting enough to bring any attention to himself.
This is classic noob SK strategy.

Of the 5 or so lurkers, Solanis's lurking is different from everybody elses lurking.

With Othero's new point about SK avoidance, things just seemed to snap into place for me.

Ehh. Solanis is in a different timezone, as is Rika. How is his lurking so unique?

Solanis's entire argument is based on a scenario where mafia is the only scum.
If there is any other scum other than mafia, Solanis's arguments don't make much sense.

However, we know that there are likely 3 non mafia scum. So the only explanation that makes sense to me, is that Solanis has some reason to be diverting attention away from the non-mafia scum.

This alone could probably just be ignored and chalked up to him not thinking clearly, however in conjunction with his lurking and otherwise helpful/insightful posts, it's just too damning for me to ignore.

As Xavius was saying earlier, what is ocam's razor for why he would make this logical error.

You can go back and read them, I put them all in one page to make it easy to compare the different lurkers.

It's the content of the posts that are different.
All other lurkers seem to be not paying much attention / not having much to say.

I think it is because as Othero said:he is(at least to Othero) trying to take our minds away from the idea of there being an SK.

Oh...I was reading through it tied up with Solanis wanting to let Furien live and not so much on possibility Solanis was Sk himself.

Will need to think on that point some, though at first blush still not seeing much there.

I think he's been more active and given more input than some of the others that I'd like to focus on getting them speaking more too.

Like who?

*confused after checking the first post* Is Deschain Alban?

yes