Kiradawea2009-07-26 01:00:42
I'd say the experience earned is still too low. This is from slip-stream creatures, which I know aren't the strongest, but it certainly feels like I'm better of hunting rats.
Tervic2009-07-27 17:16:36
QUOTE (Kiradawea @ Jul 25 2009, 06:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'd say the experience earned is still too low. This is from slip-stream creatures, which I know aren't the strongest, but it certainly feels like I'm better of hunting rats.
I think slipstream creatures -are- the aetherspace equivalent of rats. Dragons are like... uh... something big and evil and nasty that gives good xp. Maybe.
Zynna2009-07-27 17:42:58
I'm a fan of the changes so far.
Additional changes that I'd like to see are allowing more commands to be done while docked. For example, deepbonding people to the ship. I went to explore a new aetherbubble and wanted to make sure if I died I congluted on ship. But I almost died from launching, running to empath chair, and rushing back to command chair before getting blown up by beasts.
I think that would allow someone to explore solo yet the rest (aetherhunting, power gathering) would still use multiple people.
Additional changes that I'd like to see are allowing more commands to be done while docked. For example, deepbonding people to the ship. I went to explore a new aetherbubble and wanted to make sure if I died I congluted on ship. But I almost died from launching, running to empath chair, and rushing back to command chair before getting blown up by beasts.
I think that would allow someone to explore solo yet the rest (aetherhunting, power gathering) would still use multiple people.
Unknown2009-07-27 17:53:06
^^^^
Agree completely!
Agree completely!
Tervic2009-07-27 17:53:26
QUOTE (Zynna @ Jul 27 2009, 10:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm a fan of the changes so far.
Additional changes that I'd like to see are allowing more commands to be done while docked. For example, deepbonding people to the ship. I went to explore a new aetherbubble and wanted to make sure if I died I congluted on ship. But I almost died from launching, running to empath chair, and rushing back to command chair before getting blown up by beasts.
I think that would allow someone to explore solo yet the rest (aetherhunting, power gathering) would still use multiple people.
Additional changes that I'd like to see are allowing more commands to be done while docked. For example, deepbonding people to the ship. I went to explore a new aetherbubble and wanted to make sure if I died I congluted on ship. But I almost died from launching, running to empath chair, and rushing back to command chair before getting blown up by beasts.
I think that would allow someone to explore solo yet the rest (aetherhunting, power gathering) would still use multiple people.
I think that there are a lot of actions that should be able to be done while docked:
grid repair
interlink
grid distribution
setting farhorizon, silentrun
I'm sure there are some others.
Ayisdra2009-07-27 17:54:49
QUOTE (Zynna @ Jul 27 2009, 01:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm a fan of the changes so far.
Additional changes that I'd like to see are allowing more commands to be done while docked. For example, deepbonding people to the ship. I went to explore a new aetherbubble and wanted to make sure if I died I congluted on ship. But I almost died from launching, running to empath chair, and rushing back to command chair before getting blown up by beasts.
I think that would allow someone to explore solo yet the rest (aetherhunting, power gathering) would still use multiple people.
Additional changes that I'd like to see are allowing more commands to be done while docked. For example, deepbonding people to the ship. I went to explore a new aetherbubble and wanted to make sure if I died I congluted on ship. But I almost died from launching, running to empath chair, and rushing back to command chair before getting blown up by beasts.
I think that would allow someone to explore solo yet the rest (aetherhunting, power gathering) would still use multiple people.
If you are going solo and want to do that, your grid should be closer to your chair then.
Tervic2009-07-27 18:43:20
QUOTE (Ayisdra @ Jul 27 2009, 10:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If you are going solo and want to do that, your grid should be closer to your chair then.
But module lock/unlock has something like 10s balance time.
Lawliet2009-07-27 19:51:09
QUOTE (Kiradawea @ Jul 26 2009, 02:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'd say the experience earned is still too low. This is from slip-stream creatures, which I know aren't the strongest, but it certainly feels like I'm better of hunting rats.
Where's a good mid level place to hunt, then? Dragons wtfpawn my ship
Six rooms, 1300 hull, two turrets, wheeere?
Tervic2009-07-27 20:39:24
QUOTE (Lawliet @ Jul 27 2009, 12:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Where's a good mid level place to hunt, then? Dragons wtfpawn my ship
Six rooms, 1300 hull, two turrets, wheeere?
Six rooms, 1300 hull, two turrets, wheeere?
Try the yellow areas, whatever they're called. The beasties there take a little doing, but as long as you've got a competent (and not sleep deprived) pilot, it should be fine.
Kiradawea2009-07-27 20:54:07
Not really now. Powerwise I think it goes something like red, purple, white (slipstream), yellow, ethereal/elemental/cosmic, void, astral.
Ayisdra2009-07-27 20:57:19
QUOTE (Kiradawea @ Jul 27 2009, 04:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not really now. Powerwise I think it goes something like red, purple, white (slipstream), yellow, ethereal/elemental/cosmic, void, astral.
Ethereal's forestall grandaunts(sp) only give me .06% (at level 79)
Kiradawea2009-07-27 20:59:51
Not xp wise, but powerwise. I haven't hunted Ethereal, but I know for sure Elementals and Cosmics hit harder than Hydrians, but less than Dragons.
Sarrasri2009-07-27 21:02:02
Well, I've taken a few people in a ship since the changes and it's generally agreed that it's more fun now. The experience still isn't anything worth raving about, though the fact that a larger crew doesn't decrease what you get now is good. The gold is decent, and the offerings skill is neat, though the amounts may be a bit small. It takes quite a bit of time just to get from the lowest level of glow to dim glow. We haven't managed to get more than that yet. Overall though, good changes.
Lawliet2009-07-27 21:56:26
QUOTE (Kiradawea @ Jul 27 2009, 09:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not xp wise, but powerwise. I haven't hunted Ethereal, but I know for sure Elementals and Cosmics hit harder than Hydrians, but less than Dragons.
Tending to want to avoid Cosmic, got wtfpawned by a dragon there, elemental it is.
Tervic2009-07-27 22:50:00
QUOTE (Ayisdra @ Jul 27 2009, 01:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ethereal's forestall grandaunts(sp) only give me .06% (at level 79)
Integrate that 0.06% by the amount of time it takes to kill it and compare with killing something not in aetherspace that gives a comparable amount of xp, and that should let you know if Aetherspace is 'worth it'. It's not all about gain per kill, but gain per unit time.
Ayisdra2009-07-27 22:51:33
QUOTE (Tervic @ Jul 27 2009, 06:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Integrate that 0.06% by the amount of time it takes to kill it and compare with killing something not in aetherspace that gives a comparable amount of xp, and that should let you know if Aetherspace is 'worth it'. It's not all about gain per kill, but gain per unit time.
I gain more from influencing a named denizen.
Razenth2009-07-27 23:07:07
For an hour of work, with a full crew of 3 gunners, I got about 1 or 2% hunting slipstream. The next hour found us trying to get to Exalted's godrealm to offer our fully imbued ship and hunting down gnomes. Unfortunately, our 40 tons of dust got us a crappy 25k or something. We must've gotten really unlucky, cause I know we've gotten twice that for 3/4ths the dust. We did get a butt load of power though. 86 human with karma blessing and harmony minor.
Xenthos2009-07-27 23:09:00
QUOTE (Razenth @ Jul 27 2009, 07:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
For an hour of work, with a full crew of 3 gunners, I got about 1 or 2% hunting slipstream. The next hour found us trying to get to Exalted's godrealm to offer our fully imbued ship and hunting down gnomes. Unfortunately, our 40 tons of dust got us a crappy 25k or something. We must've gotten really unlucky, cause I know we've gotten twice that for 3/4ths the dust. We did get a butt load of power though. 86 human with karma blessing and harmony minor.
What was the proficiency on your gunners?
Getting proficiency up makes a huge difference, with all those criticals. You can kill many many times faster.
Roark2009-07-27 23:12:33
My announce post says that XP is not finished. Ultimmately what it came down to was that I could not get it nailed down in time and I didn't want to hold up all these changes just over perfect XP gain, especially since it is better than it once was.
Shaddus2009-07-27 23:18:36
Earlier a crew went out to hunt/gather power. Ceren, Melville, Yuniko, Alef, Llandros, any myself. We killed starbeasts for about 33 tons of dust, and shopped around.
The problem I had is that ship prices changed DRASTICALLY with time, and I'm not talking about an hour. I'm talking 10 minutes, some prices would rise/drop by 5X as much, making planning a trade route almost impossible. Here are the prices I got.
33 tons
We had planned on buying Ice at the Temptation, selling at the Dust Eater, buying oil/diamonut there and selling it elsewhere. As you can see, the prices jumped by too much to make a profit. From 33 tons or so,we made 30k.
The problem I had is that ship prices changed DRASTICALLY with time, and I'm not talking about an hour. I'm talking 10 minutes, some prices would rise/drop by 5X as much, making planning a trade route almost impossible. Here are the prices I got.
33 tons
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Merchant's dream
Gingerbread POWDER 30 1.6 tons 76 gp
Ferrous Chode SPICE 4 1.5 tons 733 gp
Blue Cognito ROCK 5 2.1 tons 460 gp
Uncut DIAMONUT 44 3.6 tons 563 gp
Canker OIL 35 1.2 tons 210 gp
Tempered ICE 105 1.1 tons 347 gp
Muckle BARK 9 1.8 tons 559 gp
Spun Pyrinnes GLASS 59 1.8 tons 162 gp
Mottled Scyllus SILK 40 0.8 tons 450 gp
Harcore CRYSTAL 136 0.8 tons 552 gp
Auronidion PARTICLES 70 2.7 tons 0 gp
AuroniSPHEREs 3 90 part. ---
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Gingerbread POWDER 10 3.7 tons 695 gp
Ferrous Chode SPICE 0 2.0 tons 701 gp
Blue Cognito ROCK 0 2.0 tons 538 gp
Uncut DIAMONUT 44 0.2 tons 495 gp
Canker OIL 10 0.2 tons 419 gp
Tempered ICE 26 3.3 tons 537 gp
Muckle BARK 6 1.5 tons 369 gp
Spun Pyrinnes GLASS 0 1.0 tons 238 gp
Mottled Scyllus SILK 92 0.8 tons 690 gp
Harcore CRYSTAL 10 0.7 tons 364 gp
Auronidion PARTICLES 49 2.2 tons 0 gp
AuroniSPHEREs 1 86 part. ---
Dust Eater (second check, about 5 minutes later)
Gingerbread POWDER 1 2.5 tons 444 gp
Ferrous Chode SPICE 85 1.9 tons 87 gp
Blue Cognito ROCK 45 2.9 tons 434 gp
Uncut DIAMONUT 33 1.5 tons 130 gp
Canker OIL 127 2.1 tons 23 gp
Tempered ICE 38 1.8 tons 54 gp
Muckle BARK 71 1.9 tons 73 gp
Spun Pyrinnes GLASS 75 3.5 tons 674 gp
Mottled Scyllus SILK 14 1.9 tons 429 gp
Harcore CRYSTAL 8 1.7 tons 736 gp
Auronidion PARTICLES 27 2.2 tons 0 gp
AuroniSPHEREs 2 111 part. ---
The wares of the Slipstream Chaser ]
Gingerbread POWDER 32 1.5 tons 190 gp
Ferrous Chode SPICE 8 2.1 tons 139 gp
Blue Cognito ROCK 4 1.8 tons 566 gp
Uncut DIAMONUT 96 0.8 tons 341 gp
Canker OIL 35 1.5 tons 81 gp
Tempered ICE 37 2.8 tons 376 gp
Muckle BARK 7 2.2 tons 697 gp
Spun Pyrinnes GLASS 11 1.2 tons 421 gp
Mottled Scyllus SILK 98 4.5 tons 31 gp
Harcore CRYSTAL 27 3.9 tons 42 gp
Auronidion PARTICLES 37 1.1 tons 0 gp
AuroniSPHEREs 10 101 part. ---
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Gingerbread POWDER 21 3.2 tons 125 gp
Ferrous Chode SPICE 5 1.9 tons 121 gp
Blue Cognito ROCK 4 1.5 tons 191 gp
Uncut DIAMONUT 70 2.7 tons 478 gp
Canker OIL 56 2.5 tons 246 gp
Tempered ICE 21 0.2 tons 249 gp
Muckle BARK 8 1.9 tons 615 gp
Spun Pyrinnes GLASS 39 2.2 tons 106 gp
Mottled Scyllus SILK 63 2.7 tons 539 gp
Harcore CRYSTAL 21 1.4 tons 271 gp
Auronidion PARTICLES 69 2.1 tons 0 gp
AuroniSPHEREs 6 123 part. ---
Sweet Temptation (second check, about 10 minutes later)
Gingerbread POWDER 1 3.3 tons 204 gp
Ferrous Chode SPICE 97 2.3 tons 698 gp
Blue Cognito ROCK 55 2.2 tons 300 gp
Uncut DIAMONUT 36 3.7 tons 547 gp
Canker OIL 55 2.7 tons 594 gp
Tempered ICE 11 1.2 tons 75 gp
Muckle BARK 22 0.2 tons 497 gp
Spun Pyrinnes GLASS 57 1.1 tons 616 gp
Mottled Scyllus SILK 54 1.0 tons 490 gp
Harcore CRYSTAL 4 1.1 tons 60 gp
Auronidion PARTICLES 35 3.3 tons 0 gp
AuroniSPHEREs 5 124 part. ---
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Gingerbread POWDER 2 2.5 tons 683 gp
Ferrous Chode SPICE 11 1.1 tons 67 gp
Blue Cognito ROCK 9 2.9 tons 481 gp
Uncut DIAMONUT 76 1.0 tons 183 gp
Canker OIL 39 1.0 tons 673 gp
Tempered ICE 52 1.5 tons 471 gp
Muckle BARK 4 1.0 tons 671 gp
Spun Pyrinnes GLASS 19 1.8 tons 528 gp
Mottled Scyllus SILK 17 1.1 tons 610 gp
Harcore CRYSTAL 16 1.6 tons 176 gp
Auronidion PARTICLES 81 2.2 tons 0 gp
AuroniSPHEREs 8 81 part. ---
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Item Stock Sell Buy
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Gingerbread POWDER 1 0.5 tons 177 gp
Ferrous Chode SPICE 0 2.2 tons 475 gp
Blue Cognito ROCK 65 1.5 tons 537 gp
Uncut DIAMONUT 15 0.8 tons 700 gp
Canker OIL 116 2.3 tons 401 gp
Tempered ICE 64 3.8 tons 603 gp
Muckle BARK 17 1.3 tons 740 gp
Spun Pyrinnes GLASS 7 2.6 tons 387 gp
Mottled Scyllus SILK 46 1.5 tons 221 gp
Harcore CRYSTAL 4 2.6 tons 505 gp
Auronidion PARTICLES 78 0.7 tons 0 gp
AuroniSPHEREs 2 104 part. ---
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Item Stock Sell Buy
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Gingerbread POWDER 34 1.9 tons 303 gp
Ferrous Chode SPICE 0 0.8 tons 698 gp
Blue Cognito ROCK 9 2.7 tons 53 gp
Uncut DIAMONUT 64 0.9 tons 597 gp
Canker OIL 53 0.6 tons 617 gp
Tempered ICE 31 1.8 tons 273 gp
Muckle BARK 4 1.5 tons 241 gp
Spun Pyrinnes GLASS 63 2.9 tons 509 gp
Mottled Scyllus SILK 23 2.2 tons 504 gp
Harcore CRYSTAL 87 2.7 tons 78 gp
Auronidion PARTICLES 38 1.2 tons 0 gp
AuroniSPHEREs 1 99 part. ---
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Gingerbread POWDER 30 1.6 tons 76 gp
Ferrous Chode SPICE 4 1.5 tons 733 gp
Blue Cognito ROCK 5 2.1 tons 460 gp
Uncut DIAMONUT 44 3.6 tons 563 gp
Canker OIL 35 1.2 tons 210 gp
Tempered ICE 105 1.1 tons 347 gp
Muckle BARK 9 1.8 tons 559 gp
Spun Pyrinnes GLASS 59 1.8 tons 162 gp
Mottled Scyllus SILK 40 0.8 tons 450 gp
Harcore CRYSTAL 136 0.8 tons 552 gp
Auronidion PARTICLES 70 2.7 tons 0 gp
AuroniSPHEREs 3 90 part. ---
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Item Stock Sell Buy
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Gingerbread POWDER 10 3.7 tons 695 gp
Ferrous Chode SPICE 0 2.0 tons 701 gp
Blue Cognito ROCK 0 2.0 tons 538 gp
Uncut DIAMONUT 44 0.2 tons 495 gp
Canker OIL 10 0.2 tons 419 gp
Tempered ICE 26 3.3 tons 537 gp
Muckle BARK 6 1.5 tons 369 gp
Spun Pyrinnes GLASS 0 1.0 tons 238 gp
Mottled Scyllus SILK 92 0.8 tons 690 gp
Harcore CRYSTAL 10 0.7 tons 364 gp
Auronidion PARTICLES 49 2.2 tons 0 gp
AuroniSPHEREs 1 86 part. ---
Dust Eater (second check, about 5 minutes later)
Gingerbread POWDER 1 2.5 tons 444 gp
Ferrous Chode SPICE 85 1.9 tons 87 gp
Blue Cognito ROCK 45 2.9 tons 434 gp
Uncut DIAMONUT 33 1.5 tons 130 gp
Canker OIL 127 2.1 tons 23 gp
Tempered ICE 38 1.8 tons 54 gp
Muckle BARK 71 1.9 tons 73 gp
Spun Pyrinnes GLASS 75 3.5 tons 674 gp
Mottled Scyllus SILK 14 1.9 tons 429 gp
Harcore CRYSTAL 8 1.7 tons 736 gp
Auronidion PARTICLES 27 2.2 tons 0 gp
AuroniSPHEREs 2 111 part. ---
The wares of the Slipstream Chaser ]
Gingerbread POWDER 32 1.5 tons 190 gp
Ferrous Chode SPICE 8 2.1 tons 139 gp
Blue Cognito ROCK 4 1.8 tons 566 gp
Uncut DIAMONUT 96 0.8 tons 341 gp
Canker OIL 35 1.5 tons 81 gp
Tempered ICE 37 2.8 tons 376 gp
Muckle BARK 7 2.2 tons 697 gp
Spun Pyrinnes GLASS 11 1.2 tons 421 gp
Mottled Scyllus SILK 98 4.5 tons 31 gp
Harcore CRYSTAL 27 3.9 tons 42 gp
Auronidion PARTICLES 37 1.1 tons 0 gp
AuroniSPHEREs 10 101 part. ---
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Item Stock Sell Buy
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Gingerbread POWDER 21 3.2 tons 125 gp
Ferrous Chode SPICE 5 1.9 tons 121 gp
Blue Cognito ROCK 4 1.5 tons 191 gp
Uncut DIAMONUT 70 2.7 tons 478 gp
Canker OIL 56 2.5 tons 246 gp
Tempered ICE 21 0.2 tons 249 gp
Muckle BARK 8 1.9 tons 615 gp
Spun Pyrinnes GLASS 39 2.2 tons 106 gp
Mottled Scyllus SILK 63 2.7 tons 539 gp
Harcore CRYSTAL 21 1.4 tons 271 gp
Auronidion PARTICLES 69 2.1 tons 0 gp
AuroniSPHEREs 6 123 part. ---
Sweet Temptation (second check, about 10 minutes later)
Gingerbread POWDER 1 3.3 tons 204 gp
Ferrous Chode SPICE 97 2.3 tons 698 gp
Blue Cognito ROCK 55 2.2 tons 300 gp
Uncut DIAMONUT 36 3.7 tons 547 gp
Canker OIL 55 2.7 tons 594 gp
Tempered ICE 11 1.2 tons 75 gp
Muckle BARK 22 0.2 tons 497 gp
Spun Pyrinnes GLASS 57 1.1 tons 616 gp
Mottled Scyllus SILK 54 1.0 tons 490 gp
Harcore CRYSTAL 4 1.1 tons 60 gp
Auronidion PARTICLES 35 3.3 tons 0 gp
AuroniSPHEREs 5 124 part. ---
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Item Stock Sell Buy
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Gingerbread POWDER 2 2.5 tons 683 gp
Ferrous Chode SPICE 11 1.1 tons 67 gp
Blue Cognito ROCK 9 2.9 tons 481 gp
Uncut DIAMONUT 76 1.0 tons 183 gp
Canker OIL 39 1.0 tons 673 gp
Tempered ICE 52 1.5 tons 471 gp
Muckle BARK 4 1.0 tons 671 gp
Spun Pyrinnes GLASS 19 1.8 tons 528 gp
Mottled Scyllus SILK 17 1.1 tons 610 gp
Harcore CRYSTAL 16 1.6 tons 176 gp
Auronidion PARTICLES 81 2.2 tons 0 gp
AuroniSPHEREs 8 81 part. ---
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Item Stock Sell Buy
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Gingerbread POWDER 1 0.5 tons 177 gp
Ferrous Chode SPICE 0 2.2 tons 475 gp
Blue Cognito ROCK 65 1.5 tons 537 gp
Uncut DIAMONUT 15 0.8 tons 700 gp
Canker OIL 116 2.3 tons 401 gp
Tempered ICE 64 3.8 tons 603 gp
Muckle BARK 17 1.3 tons 740 gp
Spun Pyrinnes GLASS 7 2.6 tons 387 gp
Mottled Scyllus SILK 46 1.5 tons 221 gp
Harcore CRYSTAL 4 2.6 tons 505 gp
Auronidion PARTICLES 78 0.7 tons 0 gp
AuroniSPHEREs 2 104 part. ---
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Item Stock Sell Buy
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Gingerbread POWDER 34 1.9 tons 303 gp
Ferrous Chode SPICE 0 0.8 tons 698 gp
Blue Cognito ROCK 9 2.7 tons 53 gp
Uncut DIAMONUT 64 0.9 tons 597 gp
Canker OIL 53 0.6 tons 617 gp
Tempered ICE 31 1.8 tons 273 gp
Muckle BARK 4 1.5 tons 241 gp
Spun Pyrinnes GLASS 63 2.9 tons 509 gp
Mottled Scyllus SILK 23 2.2 tons 504 gp
Harcore CRYSTAL 87 2.7 tons 78 gp
Auronidion PARTICLES 38 1.2 tons 0 gp
AuroniSPHEREs 1 99 part. ---
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We had planned on buying Ice at the Temptation, selling at the Dust Eater, buying oil/diamonut there and selling it elsewhere. As you can see, the prices jumped by too much to make a profit. From 33 tons or so,we made 30k.
