For being a home territory advantage, none of those combatants could use liveforest, and Maeve was killable in neutral territory so you could meld, so...

EDIT: Not even counting the fact that they only get into your room if you let them

I do believe home territory advantage got nulled around the point you had 3 melders vs. our 1, the shrine effects got poofed, -and- no one was around to liveforest, btw.

Anyway carry on.

When did the shrine effects get poofed? Also this is going off topic. (Viynain should have been able to. He's a Hartstone combatant. Make him sec!)

The plot was concluded when Magnagora and Celest reached one of several possible endings. Another was for the communes to agree to remove the binding, which would have ended relatively peacefully. The hai'Gloh Ritual was born out of player action - as Raezon and Estarra have said, player actions have influenced the event since its inception, and have all the way up to this point (and may right down to its bitter end!). When and how and how often it moved was up to the players to decide and, either directly or indirectly, the IC circumstances today are born from them.

I see it as a collective of a few (ha) things: Celest stubbornly wanted a way to free Raziela, no matter the cost. The communes refused to do it nicely. Magnagora's leaders, being told at least generally what could await them should they get a hand on Maeve's binding she'd placed on Raziela, agreed to help Celest. Celina turned around and betrayed Magnagora to Glomdoring, which sent Xenthos in when he realized something was going on to plant a crow eye - and hear most of the dark dirty plan. This lead to the enlightening of the Faethorn of what was going on, and a means to prevent, at least temporarily, the supernals and demon lords from doing anything (This includes some relatively crucial things like converting supernals/demon lords, angels, and essence). A variant of the binding placed on Raziela, but much less permanent - hers was placed because certain circumstances were met - a very rare instance. Now, after the second or third time the hai'Gloh Rite was done, Celest, at least, was tired of fighting, and was hoping the communes would unbind Raziela - at least Serenwilde seemed to consider the option, with a pact of peace. Then suddenly it (celest) was betrayed, and the hai'Gloh was nearly done again. This rallied the otherwise non-involved Celestians to agree to do the Xion Initiative and help kill Avatars. And today is the end result.

Now, in almost any of these steps, a variety of other decisions could have been made - the Celestians could have refused from the start. The communes could have played nice. Magnagora could have refused (though I don't see why they would!). Celina could have kept quiet (I understand there was some guild trouble that drove her out, I'm not sure though?), Xenthos could have not planted the eye, the communes could have not performed the hai'Gloh (Maeve even said it'd be temporary!), Celest at any point (and/or Magnagora!) could have said, 'No more' and just surrendered and nothing would have happened - except they'd still have the option down the road of returning to the table to continue the event.

And so we're at where we are, probably in the last stretches of the event, and there's still things going on, and things to come. So how about we allow it to play out - I promise, this thread will be here when the event is over, and you all can keep going at it.

And I'm going to say now, just once, not rudely, simply politely: Things are best done and asked ICly. Sometimes it takes a few (or more) tries before you get a response (no, spamming is not a good idea, heh). If you have a great idea for an event, post it on plots. If you see an event going on and you think there's a weakness that can be used (Say, Raziela's sitting in Muud, outside her creche, therefore very weak) for your organization's advantage, maybe you should go poke Albion/Lhiannan/Baalphegar/Japhiel/Someone.

Oh crap. You are correct. It is 125000, total, from both added together. And then another 125000 from each as a seprate value, which is pretty ridiculous.

Ah, tainted pooka, my old archnemesis.

2009/07/30 02:22:17 - Nifilhema, Queen of Insufferable Cruelty has drawn 250,000 power from the Ethereal Plane.

I completely missed that. It's pretty crazy.

Man, I wish people were this active in playing Mafia.

And... I honestly don't feel bad for you. Remember, we gave you far more opportunity than deserved to solve this peacefully, instead of going through with the DL "secret" plot. 125k is a lot yes, but you had many chances to avoid it because Celest just wouldn't stop trying to rescue Raziela even if you guys said "no can do".

I have to admit, I'm curious how Celest is going to be further involved in this event.

Glomdoring was actually going to help Raziela and there was treaty in works in Shadow Court, which may or may not still happen. It came close at several times.

I agree though that Celest's input may make a difference, particularly for the Nifilhema side of the quest, since I can't imagine Celest would be happy about the Ethereal Plane being subverted to power their former enemies. Unless the new leadership is more tolerant than one would expect.

I think as punishment, all the Magnagorans involved should be forced to wear the Eventru robes and marry Reiha

Why would Celest care at all for a plane that has thrice bound Celestia and clearly cares nothing for them? Magnagora is the only one who successfully assissted in unbinding Raziela. You ought not be surprised that we are willing to turn a blind eye.

Lusternia is great tree, much like the nexii of the nature communes, rooted in disappointment and watered by the tears of its perpetually maligned playerbase. It's time you all accept the natural order of things. They could have taken 750,000 power for all I care.

Eventru's recount of the plot thus far and all the different paths really reminded me of the monologue in "Stranger than Fiction".

I'm sure people are collecting quotes, or should be atleast, for the next time Magnagora whines about anything ever again



Surprising... I would be a bit worried about the state of the water elemental plane, if the ethereal is tainted then wouldn't water be next followed soon by Celestia? I'm a bit vague on some of the lore right now, but the links are there to be abused and the area of ethereal linked with earth was warped by the taint, what is to say the reverse won't be true.

Just bored speculation

And reenacting the Hai'Gloh was just one more step in this process no?


Nah. We're safe. We handed over the key to the permanent destruction and subversion of Faethorn and Faethorn only. A key the communes were all to willing to let us keep.

except you aren't. Ignoring for a moment that this is a game. Estarra has said destroying the Maeve destroys the communes. what happens to one happens to the other, if this were a story this would be the point where both communes would slowly become tainted and well... look at poor celest all there on it's own.

Long time back I remember someone talking about how corruption of the fae can lead to corruption of nature on prime so who knows maybe Celest will loose something important to them down there.

It's kinda amusing that after so much emphasis has been placed on this and everything to do with it being the result of player action that you would not consider a case where things turn against you and put you in an even worse position than you were in when you started.

I mean really, this is a result of Celests desire to unbind Raz and Eventru very much does not help the situation by being a figure to generate ill-will towards Celest for this mess. (Mainly for me because the thing I remember most about the time I spent online around now was seeing the shouts of congratulations from him when things happened, which was kinda cute seeing him cheering the followers of the traitors)

Since the beginning Celest and Magnagora have been pitted against each other, Serenwilde and Glomdoring allying makes sense as they have the common ground of ethereal binding them together in times of need but except for attacking the communes I don't remember any common ground for the cities.

If the communes were desperate enough, Magnagora may turn around and offer the communes a chance to send all that corruption off into the water plane, Can you honestly say that you would be surprised if it was not be accepted near-immediately? Maybe with a bit of debate but Serenwilde would be more likely to expect them to turn around and stab them in the back so there won't be surprises when that happens. It would probably be chalked upto a lesson for celest on why you should not mess with ethereal or side with the taint. (it would be an ironic stance to take of course)

Of course there is always the whole, If Celest helps the communes now then perhaps there could be a focus against Magnagora for a while allowing them time to strengthen themselves (I vaguely recall reading about leadership issues or something). The only problem being when people actually act surprised when it falls apart.

As to the key metaphor... well there is an issue with that, this is a fantasy world we are talking about. The "key" has been bound to a being of great power for decades who's to say there wasn't something more wound up in that binding. I wasn't there but I could see circumstances where using something like psychometry on the "key" could give the demon lords a way to attack Celestia. Also with ethereal being affected do you actually think that there is only one way this could head down miles of bad road for you?


Anyway bored speculation, as I said if this was a story rather than a game then celest would be in deep... stuff right now cause, well in my mind I see a scenario like this.
The communes struggle for a while, Amidst the death cries of their avatars calling out to them soon after they rise again, a messenger from the hated city offers them a chance, "Sacrifice the city, Save the fae". (he would be an asian blademaster obviously)

Oh man. Even though this is totally screwing us over, this is SO DAMN FUN.

I'm not sure whether I hate you or love you, admin who's being just... awful to the little fae girl.

You admin have had your fun, I want my crack pipe back now

I'm sure Celest will help Faethorn once the current communes have been eradicated. Nifilhema can't use Raziela's binding to attack Water or Celestia, because the binding was a key to understanding Ethereal. Not Water, not Celestia. Celest has honestly no reason to bother helping Serenwilde or Glomdoring. You're the ones in trouble, not us.