Alas, it is not possible to take back from Magnagora in that manner! Thus, the event will probably leave everyone with more power than they started. Whether that's a good thing or a bad thing or have mixed results with more resources added, that's the direction we're going.

Do you not think that bias still exists when people become admin? I can see numerous parallels between the seeming agenda of one of the admin and their previous mortal incarnations. Could all just be in my head though.

As a second note, the power being generated out of nowhere is annoying, RPly we want to hurt the cities for doing this to us, not just recover the power. So a way to drain them of a near equivalent amount during the reversing process would be nice.

I think it's all in your head! Anyway, one of the reasons that ephemerals are asked to cut all mortal ties is to lose the bias (i.e., we don't want admin getting chummy with players on AIM, etc.). Also, the process of being ephemeral (I think the average is 6 months) is to distance admin from their ties through time. I'm not sure what else we could do other than give them lobotomies!



I know everyone likes to hurt their enemies, but isn't that the rancor that this event has generated? Do we really want to draw out more drama and pain? Or can we just end this event with everyone plus power and move on?

Oh man, I can feel Kiradawea's RL hate radiating all the way from here. That horse is also quite high. Wasn't she the same one who wanted us all dead for killing her kephs?

I think the problem with the power issue stems more from the fact that it was 125k per commune all at once. The communes had to perform Hai'gloh 3 times to net 105k total each. IMO, the disparity was a bit too big this time.

Newbies are big boys, they can live. Each side has jerks who enemy noobs and each side has reasonable people to help said noobs.

Yes, a large part of the rancour stems from an inability to strike back effectively. A simple return of the power is the type of gesture that Xenthos warned you about earlier. I think we'd rather have seen a quest whereby we had a chance to recover all that power by taking it directly from the Megalith as part of the cleansing process. At the end of the day, no matter what happens here, Magnagora has still effectively won, all we're doing is returning to our previous state, they get the PR victory of having tainted Maeve and 300k power to boot. For something, which given the circumstances, was almost impossible to counter.

I'm glad you said the other thing was all in my head though, I'd very much like to think it is just me.

P.S. Chade hit nail on the head there.

I think Xenthos specifically did NOT want us to add yet another quest that does a tit-for-tat but he can speak for himself. In any event, the communes are getting their power back. I'm not sure why that's a bad thing. So, no, anyway, we're not going to rush to add a quest right now at this juncture to harm Magnagora. Remember, the Demon Lord plot has been ongoing for a LONG time now. If the communes REALLY want to strike back, they can initiate a new player-driven event that we can take up at a later date. Now is not the time, however.

I'm sorry. What? I'm happy that I achieved my goal (Raziela go healed) and Celest won't bother helping the forests out of own initiative. If you read anything else, that ain't my fault.

My understanding, and my own view, of Xenthos' statement was that a reactionary step - such as making the fae cleansing bring in insane amounts of power - would only serve to make us more annoyed as we see it specifically as a way to try and appease us. Of course, Xenthos will need to comment on that himself because I'm more than capable of misinterpreting statements.

I fully appreciate that you're not going to change anything about the current set up and I'm not trying to force you, I'm just trying to summarise my own views and the views of those I speak to regularly in order to give you a better insight into the feelings of a certain section of the playerbase.

Okay, thanks for sharing!

I hate to tell you this (well, maybe not!), but you're wrong.

We went through your guards the second time, yes. There was a large group of us, yes. We killed a bunch of Magnagorans (and a Celestian or two) afterwards. We left about 15 minutes after the guards were dead because there was nothing else to do and repeatedly harvesting people isn't fun to most of us.

This answer of yours is not an example of the forests camping Cosmic for hours. Also, I think you're talking about something different, because at this time it was not even possible to summon guards due to the hai'Gloh.


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Question: Has the difference in power from turning in corpses been addressed? Communes get 100 power for turning in Demon Lords / Supernals. Magnagora gets 5000 power from each Avatar. What the heck is going on here?


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As to whether or not this feels like a sop, I really can't say. I'm in the process of moving. I am a new home-owner as of 3 this afternoon, and things are hectic! Whether or not it feels like an issue is something that only the people who are "on the ground," so to say, can answer. That said... this quest was unstoppable. There was nothing the Communes could do to actually prevent the tainting of Maeve. The hai'Gloh just delayed it from being possible for a while, but eventually it was going to happen. It was going to just give Magnagora 250k power and suck 125k from each of the Communes. Now a bit is being "returned" via cleansed fae, but... it doesn't really feel like it's at all the same thing.

If the event's still going on when I get 'net access, I'm sure I'll have a stronger opinion one way or the other. In the meantime, it's those like Chade, Talan, Urazial, and Druken who are actually dealing with the effects and feeling the frustration.

Pardon my ignorance, but what is the meaning of 'sop'? I've seen it several times but don't know what to make of it.

Its a British thing.

Use sop in a Sentence
–noun
1. a piece of solid food, as bread, for dipping in liquid food.
2. anything thoroughly soaked.
3. something given to pacify or quiet, or as a bribe: The political boss gave him some cash as a sop.
4. a weak-willed or spineless person; milksop.

PS: It is not British...

Sorry ol' pal?

This is so completely not true. If the communes would have worked something out with Celest none of this would have happened. You chose to play hardball and while it worked out amazingly well for you at the start, it seems like it was not the best path for you to have chosen in the long run.

I kind of thought they meant SoP, or standard operating procedure. Never mind

Actually, both Communes were willing to work with Celest. Both had agreed to terms with Soll, though there was more discussion happening. He disappeared from the meeting (walked out with some vague excuse of not wanting to be there too long) and then just never responded further.

Celest had no real interest in doing it the Commune way, at all. They ditched out on it the first time, abandoning talks with Glom to make treaties with Magnagora. They did it again this time. Sure, it was player-driven (though I'm not sure if Celest's pantheon had some part in Soll dropping talks or not, it is strange that he would just ignore that avenue). Really, though, given his choices: It was going to happen, period. The only question was that of time.

You could have also... killed Nifilhema. Killed people to steal their essence (you tried). Killed people trying to influence fae to steal them. (you tried). Spent time on Xion/Water taking that essence (you tried). Guarded Maeve so we couldn't kill her and take her (you didn't).