Might just be me, but it seems moving this kind of thread (being what it is) from chronicles to general seems like a poor choice.

Personally, I'm surprised he didn't just close it from the get-go.

Common Grounds, is the new Idiots.

I've generally spared myself from reading it, I presume it's a diatribe about how unfair it is the cities are winning. I noticed Viravain posted a warning, so I'm certain the thread is under a watchful eye without me needing to impose myself, hm? It just didn't seem to be very fitting in a subforum devoted to logs, artisanals, bardics, etc, and better suited for the common grounds.

I can certainly close it though!

EDIT: Here is where I interpose an obligatory moderator statement - play nice, don't accuse people of Bad Things if they can't defend themselves, this isn't the Idiots! forum, constructive conversation (quite the euphemism for criticism, isn't it?) please, etcetera - thank you!

Uh, please name one time I have ever done a hit and run. Doesn't happen. I always stick around to fight. Not my fault you guys consistently zerg me with two cities and shrines so I can't stay around long. I fought the 4 of you (two artied demi warriors whoring knockdown/pinleg with pits and a geomancer) alone didn't I? Oh, I think that's a yes.

And Mag knows full well Narsrim is the king of lame raids, so please get off your high horse and stop trying to blame Urazial for something you know your side is doing too.



edit: Actually, it's pretty pathetic you are trying to blame anyone for anything after taking Narsrim in, knowing full well what he did to Mag and will do to Glomdoring. Nice job, guys.

I'm going to throw my 2 cents in here for all the good that it'll do:

In my time of playing Lusternia, I notice that the game goes through phases of which org is on top. I like to call it "The Ebb and Flow of Players".

Simply stated, as players come and go, certain orgs do better then others, and some will start to lose their lofty positions. Consider if tomorrow Catarin, Forren and Vesar all decided to start playing again. You would start seeing Celest kick major butt in just about everything.

In that same respect, what would happen to Glom if Shuyin, Sidd and Desitrus all decided to stop playing? Glom would almost overnight start to lose ground to the other three orgs.

It's just a natural cycle of the game. There's not much you can do about it other then become a good player and strive to do whatever it takes to ensure continued supremacy of your org. Murphy didn't become the epitome of bad assery made manifest on Lusternia by complaining. He did it by bashing heads where necessary and kicking ass when needed.

Hey, hey, you know my OOC preferences lie with Glom. Mag is full of morons, and I have friends in Glomdoring.

It's not good to be like anonymous-self-righteous-coward or anonymous-legendary-griefer. If we could remove all iterations of such from all orgs, life would probably be more enjoyable all around. And you're right, certain anonymous-legendary-griefer people really should have lost all rights to all orgs by now, and it amazes me that people keep letting them in. Still, when one is a direct cause of another, anonymous-self-righteous-coward people should not be self-righteous when the anonymous-legendary-griefer people come calling, especially since raiding with an excuse tends to be much griefier than raiding without an excuse.

One thing I've noticed is that it's easy to overlook how much provocation is done by the side that you're logged into at the time. It's really no exaggeration to say that raids on Earth happen at least twice as often as raids on Ethereal, probably actually 3-4 times as often. We'll just call it double to make sure we're not inflating the situation. You just don't notice the Earth raids because they're so short and no one dies, whereas raids on EtherGlom or EtherWilde usually involve much deathsight spam.

You so won't get the awesome feelings for Lusty you had back when I played, I am sorry. I am too awesome.

Sadhyra, Ashteru had an abortion while you were gone.

I knew I should have chopped off his head after laying the eggs in it. Can't trust those men at all.

Given the past few events that the administration has approved, it's pretty easy to spout a diatribe about how the cities have gotten some ridiculous kickback the past few weeks. Magnagora stole 125,000 power from both communes, and to which we've only got an answer of, "EVENT IS NOT OVER YET!" and "IT'S A DEMON LORD PLOT!!!11!". This event, which Maeve was branded (after looking at the past threads over a year that had Celest ranting to hell and back over the fact that they hated their branded mob, so for some reason its acceptable to do it to the communes). We haven't seen a drop of that power back, we've had stealth nerfs in Envoys such as Flow no longer working in GreatPent because Estarra says so. Yes, there is credible evidence to support a diatribe stating a certain degree of bias.

I call this selective memory.

I don't think you can say that diatribe is fair or credible. Before the power got stolen the Communes were winning. Estarra even said they didn't expect the cities to get their side done yet. It isn't like the admin started bending over backwards to let the cities finish. As for Maeve being branded compared to Celest's branded supernal, If what I assume is correct then Maeve is no longer branded and that quest can't be redone. Maeve turning into a tool of Nifilhema was a one time thing. Envoys shouldn't have any bearing on who is winning or losing. The envoys job is to create balance making a fairer playing field. Yeah, I realize that envoys will use their reports as a way to fight but if the admins are doing their job that shouldn't have a huge effect on the game. Before this event the communes were pretty much opposed to each other and sided with cities making it more of a evil vs. good fight. And if we really want to go back and look at how events have played out for the cities and communes I'm sure it will pretty much be equal. Sometimes one side gets a nice kickback for doing well in a event, sometimes the other side does.

Edit: Looking at the whole thing this thread should of just been closed. I understand the OP's fustration but this topic was created out of forum RP and a misunderstanding that who is on top constantly waxes and wanes.

250k power is more than a nice kickback Othero, it's a gift you didn't deserve.

Maeve is also currently still branded, so the rp event in that sense is ongoing and both communes will have to endure what Celest did. The power gain Magnagora has had lately is hardly balanced, Glomdoring gained its power from passive factors, villages and such over a long time, while Magnagora gained alot from an event in which the commune equivolent was still hardly as rewarding. One can claim the events themselves have vaciliated between orgs, but the rewards have not.

Honestly the power communes get for totems per weave isn't deserved either, and perhaps counteracted by the event. Over time I'd put my money on it being vastly more close than you realize.

This is another topic I imagine, but I don't see a one off payment of 250k power to only one city as a sound solution to a problematic system or a sustainable one and as you saw recently, it is possible to disrupt totems quite easily if you catch them in elder form.

I cleared ALL of Glom of elders several times, has your power dropped? We know the answer to that.

Personally I like systems that inherently breed a little conflict. Increase commune power accrual, decrease the same for the cities, and make a way for the cities to steal the communes' power and a way for the communes to block the cities from stealing their power. Fun!

That's not a very good idea, as it makes the conflict always one side being attacked. That won't really be the most morale-boosting in the long run.

1: Twas joke (mostly)
2: How is that one-sided, exactly? The communes get lots of power, the cities can steal it via raiding in some fashion, the communes can make the city raids unable to siphon/slow power gain by raiding in some fashion. Each would have incentive to attack each other. One to protect teh lootz, one to get teh lootz.