Sort of strange Othero. You seemed to be pretty certain of Shiri prior. What changed your mind?

Um, no. I've said I thought Shiri could possibly be arguing with Dag as they are both scum and are just trying to throw us off with a pair of arguments that didn't make too much sense. I'm also now disagreeing with Shiri who seemed to think it was a decent claim.

Shaddus, this is the claim.

Yeah, but is that actual information or merely something she could have gotten from being a fan of the... whatever this is. Video game? Comic? Anime?

Well, in none of the games did Mima ever want to take the orbs. Mima destroyed Reimu's shrine but never took the orbs. But the whole thing is too vague. Oh no, one of the few characters who is usually considered evil wants to kill the only character who is a hero in every game. What a suprise! And -something- bad could happen! It isn't really even a claim, just scrapped together piece of info that we have almost no reason to trust and shouldn't be enough to trust her.

unvote shiri
Can't argue with a mason until more info is available.

Can someone send me a link to info about the orbs?

fos on whomever said there was a "quick" bandwagon on Shiri. No quick bandwagon ever existed.

vote lorick
reasons:
1.Claiming a bandwagon that never existed.
2.Asking if people who are not of the 4 areas should be considered scum, only to reveal later that he is not from one of the four areas.
3. voting for Kira for the sake of "joining the train" (a hypocritical action to point 1)

Actually, it was Yuka that destroyed the shrine. Reimu and Suika woke up to find that the stone was found amongst the rubble, signaling that Mima's seal had broken. Yuka is probably acting on her own, then. If she isn't, she didn't know beforehand that Mima was looking for the Orbs, else she'd have taken them when she could.

Maybe because of what is happening precisely now? If a majority of the town was grouped, claiming I wasn't from the listings would be an "obvious" scum tale. I wanted to avoid the current situation.

There was a decent amount of votes in a short period of time, nearly half the number required to achieve a lynch with very little voting towards anyone else. I'm not sure what your defination of a "bandwagon" is, but it seemed like quite a strong showing in a quick period of time.

To be honest, I sort of suspect we have at least one mafia member who voted on Shiri with the last batch and Kira seemed the most intelligent choice. Not the first, on the coat heels, ect with reasoning I didn't neccessarily agree with since it seemed to me Shiri was acting in a more town like fashion prior. You were on that list as well, but your current play and past play match up well (Rapid voting, arguements, lots of FOS) and we at least have a reason to not suspect you over Kira's currently very thin veneer.

There were 3 people who voted for shiri over a RL two day period... I'm not sure how anyone can call that "quick"
I've also only place 1 fos on anybody...

Kira's claim isn't actually good, but there is a legitimate reason not to reveal exactly how she is aware of that fact if it's true. Now the scum have to figure out if they need to go after her or if that would be a waste of time. Anyway, we can spellcard check her later down the line and if there is no immediately obvious reason she would be able to say that, she's gone.

Let me rephrase this. I consider anyone who is willing to fight and vote as hard for someone as you did with Shiri, attempting to drum up support after the spellcard battle for a lynching and claiming his reasoning, which so far I've generally agreed with, as scum a declaration of suspicion. If someone actually goes out of their way to broadline it for others is up to the them I guess, but you didn't let that arguement go easily and until it's momentum ran out. Now you are on me.

Kira hasn't really claimed much to be honest. If anything, Mira could have that as her role pm.

...oh yeah.

Yeah, it is just too vague and easy to make up.

I guess we as a town need to decide if pushing forward is worth the risk. I mean, we might reveal a power role, or we might end up lynching scum. With the current set up, I guess one could suspect four such power roles in the town, which means only four people should honestly be claiming immunity. That also means though that by process of elimination we will reveal a majority of the roles within a few days with spell cards and any twilight effects that may come up. And those who aren't revealed will most likely be picked off by the scum because of the lack of options _if_ the theory of going after the leaders is true. If not, it would be better to go for more traditional town roles for the scum.

So.. I guess my point is we need to draw a line somewhere of how far we want to pursue this. Also, Kira if scum with an obvious card could decline a battle tomorrow and claim power role immunity following Shiri's theory. In that case, we would spend more time and one card battle on the following day. Another problem is we don't really have a way to control who battles whom. IE, I'm sure the scum can battle as well, meaning they could cause a fight with each other to negate one of our card battles if neccessary, if there are more than one scum on a side. So.. It might be best not to depend on both as it were. Maybe one?

I'll again state that I don't believe we're dealing with the standard power roles. And from the information Serella gave earlier, it's not the traditional doc 'n' cop roles that we have to protect from scum.

I'd just like to point out that it seems like we currently have more claims than we have people voting ...
Othero, Solanis, Shiri, Daganev, Llandros, Serrella, Celina I think have all had their names revealed.

If Lorick isn't completely off, the scum mechanic might be conversion of each area instead of kills, unless they whiffed last night or our doctor/protective roles got lucky. In that case, it might not be a good idea to reveal more names unless necessary.

That said, I don't particularly trust Kiradawea's 'claim' at the moment. She might be Reimu with a warning in her role, or she might be Mima with that info in her role, or she might just be scum trying to discourage more name-revealing battles because she doesn't fit into the town factions mentioned.

Hmmm, Why did Kiradawea give us a piece of info instead of a name? We can't really check or back up the info but we can check the name. Lets say she is scum with a name we would see as scum. Wouldn't it be better for her to try to hand off some piece of information and see if we take it as a reason to back off instead of giving us a name?

There's two possibilities: she's someone important so revealing her name will get her targeted. Or, she is scum.