Pretty much my arguement. Basically, out of all the roles claimed, either Sem let her out and lied about it or Zetsu stole the key and freed her. I don't have proof, but no one else's roles seems to lend itself to that sort of thing. If you like, I wouldn't mind pressuring Zetsu so long as we have an understanding that I still have yet to be convinced about Vendetta.

Can pressure me all you want, but I don't see what it will accomplish. I've already given up my name ze~ and the fact that I don't have any powers. Can do what you want.

I'm keeping your points on Vendetta in mind, just pending further evidence because it's not quite enough to convince me (or the rest of town, apparently) to lynch.

If you think that Marisa might have stolen the key to let Celina out, what was Zetsu's motivation behind it?

And I've stated before I don't believe it. Marisa is one of the few roles I would be pretty confident on at least having some sort of ability if we are following role, and so far everyone seems to have abilities strongly influenced by that role.

Well, Marisa was one the first names we had on our watch list back when Shiri was alive because her habit of borrowing cards from power roles. It was speculated that it would be useful to a scum wanting to pass itself off as town. However, we have Zetsu here pretty much openly claiming the role. Marisa is known for have many many devices and artifacts at her disposal and a habit for taking objects from others. If anything, I would of believed it to be more of a limited utility role, but this claim of no powers is quite off. Not neccessarily scummy, just off. As for Celina, I think everyone was pretty sympathetic at the start (Her role restriction was retarded) and she never acted against the town all through day 2. So, maybe releasing her out of sympathy? If Zetsu was scum though, releasing her would be a good way to divert the arguements, which leads me back to Vendetta or at the least attempting to frame Vendetta.

I'd slash Lorick, but I feel like it'd be a waste because nothing seems to dissuade him.

Marisa is characterised by a thief, I'm not denying that part of the lore. But Touhou Wiki also states many avoid Flandre, "even Marisa". If you're going to follow role, shouldn't you follow all of it?

When you follow role, follow for powers or abilities, not for roleplay purposes. We didn't immediately lynch Celina just because she was Flandre even though lore would state that would be a very good idea. Same thing here.

Still reading. I think that would be a bad idea.

No worries Bali, love to hear your opinions on pg 57 in particular. And yeah, most likely Kaguya, not without doubt but nothing we can't test tomorrow with a normal spellcard. Hell, I'll do it.

Yes, worries. I show 40 posts per page, so I dont know what page 57 is. If you want input on specific posts, please give the post numbers. Please be patient, I'm a slow reader. And thinker.

I am, not asking for it immediately. I think it was a majority of pg 57 actually. Like.. More than half from me.

See, that's the thing. I am town, but I have no reason to think the person who let me out is scum. Maybe it was scum. Maybe it was a survivor who thought I'd be insane and blow some people up. Maybe it was a townie who thought we could use more votes.

It's pure speculation with zero evidence. You guys can speculate on who it was about as well as I can.

I don't see any point to focusing on who let me out. I think we have a good lynch option for game progression spamming us all at this very moment.

See, you want to achieve a lynch for game progression. I want to achieve a lynch on scum. And this, this is where we differ.

Bali, I think he's referring to the repeated walls of text. You'll know them when you get to them. You'll need a nap and maybe an energy bar.

Is anyone else tempted to vote Lorick just so he'd shut the hell up?

No. We differ because you are out of your mind.

And yeah, page 57 is like a whole page of tl;dr, I think Lorick is just trying to delay a lynch vote more by trying to make people read it

The thing is that if it were a townie releasing Flandre to get more voting power on the town's side, they wouldn't lose anything by coming out with the information that they did do it. And Serella is our townie release-person, which leads me to think it's unlikely we have two townie release-people and none for scum. It looks like a good lead, just that you're unwilling/unable to give us information on it.

Technically three townie-release people. If I had wanted to, I could have released Celina at any time

For the sake of my sanity, sifting through this is like reading another language.

I am Kaguya Houraisan. I'm immortal. I'm town. Hi.

Apparently Othero and I are rivals. According to his claim. I do not think doing battle with him is a proper course of action. Because according to him, he can only be killed by me. Or we kill each other. I dont think its in his best interest to do that, whatever faction he is. So, I think I could 'danmaku' with someone else, be flavor confirmed as Kaguya, and then proceed from there. Some backstory:





One of Shad's only posts, he is curiously probing about Kaguya and Othero's affiliation. Take from this what you will. I think this situation either A: mutually assured destruction for thinning purposes, or B: a townie confirmation mechanic.

Anyway, Lorick seems a little scummy. Has been since his first few posts. I would not be against lynching him. Seems solid based on posting style alone.