they are connected with scum somehow. The human village changed during a twilight phase. If we didn't lynch a scum then I think something else would of happened. the first twilight

Kira did sort of hint at them being a part of a alternative victory for the scum and her death with the "Ask mimi for advice" skill seems to sort of add to it that the scum can win in a way outside of killing everyone.

And hopefully Celina's death will get Lorick to be silent about Vendetta for a bit as he thought the two were working together. Sorry for the Lorick style post.

Poor Celina, she has not had a great time this game.

I know what happened, but I may as well keep silent about it for the time being. I'll tell you if you're about to lynch the person responsible or whatever.

Lorick, despite his gigantic wall of text (good grief man, less is more) actually partly convinced me about Vendetta...there are not that many options left for unconfirmed people. Everyone is pretty much roleconfirmed except Zetsu, who probably isn't faking it, Balizar, and Arix - yes Arix is Yukari, no don't lynch him, no don't ask him about his role.

Othero and Balizar do not want to spellcard each other. I can understand why but I think it would be a good idea to. We are not doing badly as a town. 3/3 lynches have missed townies. Even if Kaguya and Mokou, due to some unlikely scenario, are both town (two invincible townies just does not sit right with me) we can afford a single non-lynch-wasting mistake in order to find that out. Failing this, I think we need to lynch Balizar or have him spellcard someone. The other possibility is that Vendetta and Zetsu were possessed or something by Mima along with Yuka - I guess Medicine just tagged along. The reasons I have for suspecting this are that Zetsu claimed vanilla, which is highly dubious, Lorick's giant tirade on Vendetta which tasted like a few spoonfuls of truth had been added, and Vendetta's mysterious absence (she's well enough to be around during the day and posting scummily as Synl, but not afterwards as Vendetta?)

I'll start it off with Vote: Zetsu.

I also want to call attention to Allergic again. I don't understand why he got no spellcards. It wasn't in his role apparently so there's no clear reason for it, Aya certainly has plenty herself. He grazed someone's spellcard attack (Aya is fast), but Furien did the same to Kira's deathbomb. We have an unclaimed Aya floating around somewhere, but...I dunno. Also I want to note that Aya isn't from any of the townie regions - yeah, neither am I, but Aya first appeared in the same place as Medicine whereas Yukari/Chen/Ran are friends of Yuyuko and Youmu.

Summary:
Arix: town
Silferras: probably town
Me: town
Daganev: town
Serella: town
Arix: town
Xikue: probably town
Lorick: flipping out massively
Othero: not sure
Balizar: not sure
Allergic: not sure
Vendetta: not sure
Zetsu: not sure
Llandros: not sure

Also, I just want to say: hey Daganev! I just remembered another game when lynching an inactive day 1 landed us a scum!

Back, and wow. Yeah, this is causing me to rethink a lot of my opinions. Rather than vote and lynch Zetsu though, wouldn't it be better to ask Xihue to use our swords on him and that way not use a lynch?

Well, Zetsu did consent to allowing Xikue take a swing with Hakurouken. I'd be interested in seeing how those results vary from my own. For what it might be worth, I'm fine with being cut at by Roukanken too. There does seem to be a lot of odd circumstance surrounding me, and very little I can otherwise do to dispel it. If, by chance, there is anything else out there someone might wish to test me by, I'm open to suggestion.

I still Lorick is just off the wall paranoid. I'm not saying Vendetta is town, or Lorick for that matter, but I'm not entirely convinced that Lorick has "hard evidence" on Vendetta. I think he's just trying to keep pounding the idea in until it makes sense. Square peg, round hole style. That said, I'm half tempted to vote lynch on one of the two, just to end the whole debate. (This is a joke, by the way, for all you serious-sams out there.)

Wasn't Celina, by and large, vanilla, though? In that she had spell cards and final words, but zero actual powers. It at least makes Zetsu's claim a little bit better than highly dubious, I would say.

I don't understand it myself, Shiri. Even after getting confirmation that it was intentional, there was no explaination. I'm not sure what you mean by "We have an unclaimed Aya floating around somewhere"?

Out of curiousity Vendetta, if you had to pick someone from the list to investigate for the spirit, who would you pick?

Celina wasn't really vanilla, she had two seperate gimmicks. I guess Zetsu has his kuchikuse gimmick but that's it.

Maybe you're right though.

Anyway, I think trusting Marisa and Reimu to be town is exactly the kind of thing Tekora would have built into the game to screw us over.

By the "we have an unclaimed Aya floating around somewhere" I meant, even if you're lying and scum, we have that Aya that showed up reporting on Lorick. It could be an NPC but that doesn't make much sense to me. You're on the bottom of my priorities list compared to Bali/Othero and Vendetta/Zetsu, I just wanted to point out that you were on it at all for a couple reasons.

I'm not entirely sure what Xiran's swords are supposed to achieve. We can't really guarantee that either will do whatever we think they will do, their descriptions are pretty vague. Swing away, but I think we're better off lynching Marisa/Reimu just to be sure, and having Bali/Othero card each other.

Celina- No powers, but more spellcards than any other role we've seen, including mine. She might not have "powers" but she was a powerful spellcard investigative tool for the town it looks like. Also, the spirit of Mima tends to kill those it possesses in the flavor by forcing them to commit a gruesome suicide. Why Celina? If they mafia knew she wasn't part them, was she afraid she was a vig? Her death seemed like it was almost part of someone else's skillset than just the Spirit of Mima. And to be honest, unless the mafia thought she was lying about powers like me there were many more investigative targets in town. Hmm..

Celina wasn't just vanilla, she was vanilla with restrictions. Perhaps all of her spellcards were high power in exchange? Didn't Llandros claim vanilla too?



If you think it'd be a waste of time on me, I think we might decide between one of our two immortals, or AtS. We might otherwise never be able to guess if we think lynching immortals is a waste of time, and in the case of AtS, might help to dispel some suspicion lingering with him too, given we can't really confirm identity via spellcard.

Well, the last time I used my roleblock on someone with the Spirit they were immune to day actions. So, hopefully, whomever has it this time will be so as well. Also, anyone have any information about what happened at the Shrine? The mafia hasn't had more than Kira did, and she forced a twilight not a instant destruction.

"I challenge Bali! Spell Card Set!"

Confirming role.

Why would you do that...we needed Othero and Bali to spellcard each other, not you.

Oh well.

Oh yeah, and it might be too late now, but if either or both of Vendetta/Zetsu are town they should spellcard each other depending on what we find out about Bali.

If they spellcard each other, according to them one of them dies and they are locked in a battle. We don't know how long this will go on for nor do we know for certain Bali is who he has claimed. Also, we don't know if they are scum or at least one is, so having them spellcard each other could lose us a townie. Out of curiousity Shiri, how did you come back? If someone had the ability, there was plenty of time to do so much sooner in the game.

I could go along with that, but I'm not sure about the reasoning behind it. Is there a particular reason I should be doing it? Should I be using my other spellcard instead this time?

Ahh, I see. Fair enough. I really do wish I had spellcards to further verify my role, as I can't expect anyone to just take my word for it. I've got two snoops left. I guess the only real way to verify me further would be to have one of you preclaim an action that you're going to do (Like Loricks' looky ability) and then tell me to snoop on that person. (It would at least eliminate the possibility of Aya being an NPC.) However, I think that's a terrible waste of my snoop and someones' chance at doing something productive. (As if Lorick said, "Ok, AtS, I'm looking at Vendetta tonight, snoop on me." obviously if Vendetta was going to do something naughty that night, it wouldn't happen after that.)

So I guess if it comes down to we're looking for someone, and you all still don't believe I'm Aya, we'd do that, or you'd just have to straight lynch me and see it for yourselves. Unless I'm missing another option.

Zetsu hasn't been a spellcard battle and it would help confirm his role.

Yeah... I'm going to try to say this again. At this point I do not want to initiate a spellcard battle with Bali. He can initiate if he wants but I'm not going to do it. I -know- I am town and I personally believe he is town. So I'm not going to do something that will kill myself and kill him. Yes, we may rez from the fight. However, I personally am not sure if we will and I'm wary about it and don't feel like poking a bear.

Which power are we talking about? Something that checks for Mima's spirit inside the person? I'm all for you casting voodoo like that on me if you'd like.

Also, I have reason to believe Zetsu does not currently host Mima's Spirit inside him. That doesn't rule out scum or indepentant faction but I do not currently believe Zetsu is the mafia godfather. He is not immune to day actions.