It is impossible to buff to 25 strength without demi, fyi.

First of all, they do scale. Second of all, we've rebalanced warrior damage once before and it's a fairly gruesome process. However, I'm willing to consider doing it again.

Can I hear from others besides Celina and Xenthos on if warrior damage should be looked at? (Again, it's a very time consuming process.)

Scale warrior damage. Even the ones with arties. Scale it like all caster damage scales.

First of all, they do scale. Second of all, we've rebalanced warrior damage once before and it's a fairly gruesome process. However, I'm willing to consider doing it again.

Can I hear from others besides Celina and Xenthos on if warrior damage should be looked at? (Again, it's a very time consuming process.)

No, it's +% damage being very powerful. He's got a +% magic damage rune, which is... well... the geomancer's attack (and it affects earthquake as well). Stack on war blessing, etc, and he's going to be very painful.

Again, the issue is not demigod but the ability to stack +% damage on attacks that are already somewhat powerful to begin with. And if you further curve it by examining the % from stats... that may help somewhat, but it may not even be necessary.

Maybe we can split the "combat isn't perfect" stuff into one thread, and the "combat is all Lusternia is now" into a second thread, so that one won't completely drown out the other?

While I think the problems of balancing combat, including demigods and similar things, is important, I would hate to see it totally displace the question of whether the game is about combat, or about a lot of things including combat.

What can fix that? I've addressed this twice previously, but anyway...
1) The leaders can become dedicated to making it end. I have little faith in that under the best of circumstances, and even less given who the leaders are right now, but it is at least theoretically possible.
2) Some random shift of people can drain the steam from the offense, or shift the power balance, but we can't really make that happen. People will org-hop or go dormant as they choose, and the only trends in that area are usually the ones that make problems worse, not better. When this changes things it's an unpredictable jolt that comes when it will.
3) The admin can do an event which either distracts us from the momentum (like the "you must band together to survive" one mentioned earlier), or which changes the meaning of things (like Maeve changes her mind again, or Raziela does, or some new factor makes the current alliances again untenable). This is the only one that's really directed at Estarra's inquiry of "what can we do". It feels like a copout to say the admins can do it but we can't. But the admins have two advantages: first, they can move in unity, which we can't; and second, they have huge leverage, a few words from a Supernal or an Elder God can be more persuasive to the populace at large than anything a whole cabal of city leaders can accomplish in a decade.
4) It will eventually restore itself to balance, over the course of RL months or longer. Those might be months that a lot of us spend somewhere else, and some of us won't find our way back afterwards, but it will work, and more people will arrive during them, so maybe that's the best option. (Though I think it's overly simplistic to imagine that everything will always return to how it was: the conflict might die down, the power balance might shift, but it could still end up with a standing change in the focus of what life in Lusternia is like, if nothing counters it.)

Iasmos is entirely correct.

The complaint most of these people have are warriors in GROUPS.

A warrior by himself can take down a cloth target, and the wounds can be obscene. But they aren't invincible. Ask Romero. He dueled Thoros last night and basically raped him.

As a PB, I acknowledge the fact that I can't outpace decent wound curing. I get one swing, I have to go through aura, parry, dodge, stance, miss, etc. This is compounded on plate wearers in which the wounds are significantly lower. I am mostly if not purely a group spec.

The damage being dished out is from massive wounds through group coordination.

Shuyin isn't entirely correct in saying that Thoros and co waited for divinefire. Rather we waited for power, we drained a total of 400p EACH from our nexus last night.

Warrior damage could get looked at, but I'm positive the examples given are only the extremes. Some soft target with elemental susceptibility having wounds built up and getting owned by a Demigod arti'd warrior.

Warrior vs Warrior, is retardedly weaksauce artifact or not. Geb vs Vathael took an hour. Thoros and I often draw out. Ixion and I draw out. Ixion and Thoros draws out. So on, so forth.

It's impossible to buff to 25 str as anything except tae'dae. What's your point? Who plays tae'dae? There is no demi warrior in existence right now that has 25 str.

Races would be an ideal thing to know.

edit: oh, 2 faelings and an illithoid. No racials that would affect damage.

Iasmos is entirely correct.

The complaint most of these people have are warriors in GROUPS.

A warrior by himself can take down a cloth target, and the wounds can be obscene. But they aren't invincible. Ask Romero. He dueled Thoros last night and basically raped him.

As a PB, I acknowledge the fact that I can't outpace decent wound curing. I get one swing, I have to go through aura, parry, dodge, stance, miss, etc. This is compounded on plate wearers in which the wounds are significantly lower. I am mostly if not purely a group spec.

Romero is the single best hindering class in the game, and he's fighting someone with purely active offense. As the old rock/paper/scissors story goes, guardians beat warriors. Also, last I knew Thoros used poison runes and Romero was Viscanti. Unless that's changed. I've "raped" heavily artied warriors in choke. No one is saying they are unbeatable, they are saying they are unbalanced.

That really doesn't change the fact that the damage/speed/affliction output beats every other archetype. It's the artifacts, and the scaling that some aren't really convinced is happening.

edit: Also, i'm not saying they are an across the board problem. I find myself able to tank much artied warriors far, far better than I could as a druid, and that made sense. Druids are meant to go squish. The issue is lower tiers and artied warriors cleaving through them no effort.

Now, now, Nihilist isn't as gimpy as many of you keep trying to imply. Passive shackles, balanceloss galore, and more. SD and it are about equally lame in different ways, so let's not point fingers.

Okay, wild tangents and wilder assumptions regarding why I switch guilds.

Let's get this back on topic.

I'm curious as to Estarra's comments regarding our numbers. I don't know if there is something in the code or what, but warriors are not scaling as much as they should/could. I'm not the only one who thinks so. Desitrus has made comments lately. Xenthos seems to agree. Etc. etc.

Okay, wild tangents and wilder assumptions regarding why I switch guilds.

Let's get this back on topic.

I'm curious as to Estarra's comments regarding our numbers. I don't know if there is something in the code or what, but warriors are not scaling as much as they should/could. I'm not the only one who thinks so. Desitrus has made comments lately. Xenthos seems to agree. Etc. etc.