I would really appreciate any action by the Divine to eliminate these alliances. Do the Celestians want to be allied with the Tainted? Should they want to be? Where is the Divine who says, "Get the out of My City, Tainted scum!" or "Who let a puddle-caster into the cathedral?" It seems to me like the Divine are not discouraging them, even though many of them go directly contrary to what they stand for. Take Eventru's help file- it says he hates/distrusts the Taint, yet geomancers and Nihilists wander the streets of Celest freely.

Where are our Divine playing out their supposed hate for their traditional enemies? It's been what, 10 IG years? 15? Raziela's unbound (the original reason for the alliances).

Basically, I wish the Divine of the Basin would start RPing more heavily/plainly their stances on the current alliances, because I know that at least the City divine -should- have a stance, and I don't see a reason for the city alliance to hold together (Raziela's unbound). In addition, really the only thing holding the Communes together is the Xion Initiative (that I can tell).

Feel free to add your thoughts about the alliances of the basin, I'd like to know how the rest of the Basin sees this, because it certainly confuses me...

Take it IG! I know I take every opportunity to subvert and undermine Celest's alliance with Magnagora, just like a good little Glommie. If more people start doing the same, who knows, maybe things will change.... *spooky hand motions*

I think I've pestered every Celestian GM except for Unitos, who I never see awake, and Hantaro (hintaro? I've never heard of him before IC), and am starting on the Mags, although neither looks promising since I'm a Seren GM, so my opinion means very little to them IC right now.

What I don't get (And would like explained here) is an OOC and/or IC reason for this alliance to continue, from Mag's side. I've gotten the OOC Celest side, that they don't want to get squished and have the game become very little fun (which I can understand, given that Seren's done a fair bit of squishing, and that Celest would likely see worse if this broke)... But Mag doesn't have this problem. Is it really just the Xion Initiative?

Subvert the little ones too, since the leaders will (hopefully) be swayed by a massive mob outcry.

Magnagora does not actually have any reason to hate Celest any more than they do to hate Serenwilde or Glomdoring. Magnagora is not so much Anti-Light as they are Pro-Taint. The only reason Magnagora was fighting Celest for so long was because Celest raided Mag, and Mag raided back. Now Seren and Glomdoring raid Mag, so Mag raids them.

Celest being alright with tainted people, and Celestians walking around in tainted regions without flipping out and trying to kill everything is a good thing as far as Magnagora is concerned. It's a very small step from "Eh, those tainteds aren't so bad." to "Sure, why not let them give us lichseeds?" to "Celest will now be tainting the Pool of Stars, we want awesome zombie powers too."

This will be awesome IC. Too bad we can't hold a general assembly with all four organizations without it turning into a bloodbath, though.

Anyway, I find it interesting that NC/Magnagora have bound themselves together more closely than Serenwilde/Glomdoring, despite the fact that the latter have more in common than the former. The main reason (from what I see) is that Magnagora needs an ally it can use, because the forests still (mainly) want retribution for the binding of Maeve. A three-front war would not be good for anyone.

Sekret Meeting Summit on Avechna's Peak! (peaced room) Or maybe you could request Godly assistance in setting up such a summit.

EDIT: Oooh ooh, turn the entire world library into a meeting hall! Or better yet, give one of the builders the task of building such a meeting hall into Avechna's Peak, consisting of 5-6 peaced rooms designed specifically for general assemblies. "Check yer weapons at the door". And then we could break into focus groups. It'd be like the UN of Lusternia! We could even put blackboards up in the rooms, which of course might be defaced by some silly people, but could be used to leave messages and/or write notes, etc.

And then, we could give each org a private meeting room where they can retire to in order to 'discuss' things in private, but let them still hear what goes on in the main assembly hall, kinda like how UN representatives have their squad of assistants talking into their ear.

This would be really cool. And it wouldn't have to be the city/commune leaders that go, it could be the Ambassador and his aides, so that while the city/commune is being represented, it's not the minority that's doing the talking, but the majority. The little people.

Would that work?

Could also be a quest to plant bugs/drill holes/etc. in an enemy office, and a counterquest to remove them.

That'd be epic awesomeness. I think I'm going to start writing up a plan for Lusternia UN then submit it formally to Estarra and co.

You ever talked to Eventru IC as a taintling? He is not actually as unflinchingly anti-taint as that helpfile would suggest.