I would really appreciate any action by the Divine to eliminate these alliances. Do the Celestians want to be allied with the Tainted? Should they want to be? Where is the Divine who says, "Get the out of My City, Tainted scum!" or "Who let a puddle-caster into the cathedral?" It seems to me like the Divine are not discouraging them, even though many of them go directly contrary to what they stand for. Take Eventru's help file- it says he hates/distrusts the Taint, yet geomancers and Nihilists wander the streets of Celest freely.

Where are our Divine playing out their supposed hate for their traditional enemies? It's been what, 10 IG years? 15? Raziela's unbound (the original reason for the alliances).

Basically, I wish the Divine of the Basin would start RPing more heavily/plainly their stances on the current alliances, because I know that at least the City divine -should- have a stance, and I don't see a reason for the city alliance to hold together (Raziela's unbound). In addition, really the only thing holding the Communes together is the Xion Initiative (that I can tell).

Feel free to add your thoughts about the alliances of the basin, I'd like to know how the rest of the Basin sees this, because it certainly confuses me...

It doesn't make much sense for Eventru IMO, but it makes sense for Fain. It's part of Fain's style not to try to push things that might get him pushed aside / ignored (he wants power, he wants influence, and so he will make his thoughts known in the background to his Order and try to get them to do things for him and sway it that way).

Eventru's always acted much more flashy / blunt, though.

I also remember Eventru bitching about forests and fae for a long period of time on the star council clan. In other words, Eventru hates more than Fain.

Right, but it's not just him, he was just the quickest example. it's more the city- the City of Light, embracing the Taint after they've accomplished their purpose? Huh?

I guess, it just doesn't make sense that the purpose has been achieved, and yet they still stay together.

I'll just quote myself (in response to an idea that gods/events should be more proactive):



The gods are meant to advise and guide, not direct action. Players are free to ally with whoever they want, however they want. The gods will roll with it (or should anyway). In any event, it doesn't seem a far stretch to me that those with enmity to each other are sometimes forced into uneasy alliances. Anyway, I rather like gods who have grey areas or aren't always black and white in their stances or are even conflicted. It leaves room for drama, subtlety and nuance!

If it isn't Celestian, it's very likely that E hates it. He hates Serenwilde, he hates Glomdoring and he hates Magnagora. Celest being tied to Magnagora has nothing to do with E's influence whatsoever. It's entirely dependant on the Star Council and their choice to stay allied to Magnagora.

Eventru seems to hate a lot of people. He was calling out Lisaera awhile back, and way before that when Seren was still allied with Celest he paraded around Etherwilde with a bunch of angels just to piss off Sarrasri, IIRC.

He and Maylea seemed to have a thing going on though. <,<

Where's the grey area?

That's what confuses me, is that there doesn't seem to be a grey area here. ..

Little blossom *snicker.*

I was just making a general statement about gods. However, I'm not sure how the help file precludes an uneasy alliance with Fain or the taint. Grey areas can be in found in the actions or reactions arising from changing circumstances. I may be a vegetarian, but if I was lost and starving in the desert and found a packet of beef jerky or can of tuna, I would probably set aside my ideals and eat them!

You ever talked to Eventru IC as a taintling? He is not actually as unflinchingly anti-taint as that helpfile would suggest.

nope, haven't played a taintling lately, or talked to Eventru lately, which might be why- the help files all seem to suggest that Celest and Magnagora shouldn't want to help each other, let alone let them walk the cities freely.

Terentia, however, is that obnoxiously strict.

Do you think you could define the entire personality of a God, or any person, in a paragraph or two?

BTW, have you ever approached Eventru or any of the divine to interact with them to try and get first hand knowledge of their current views on subjects that interest you? Rather than just relying on the help files or raising a topic on the forums, you could be a mortal who makes a difference by asking questions and searching for the truth...

Just saying!

Aren't you a Seren? Sure, you're getting your asses kicked right now, but hohoho, Glom's on its way up again!

As a Serenwilde GM, I have -no- influence in Celestian politics... This I have discovered through IC attempts to figure out why things are/change things. I've talked to a few high-ranking Celestians and gotten the impression that 'we're stuck here, so even though we don't like it, we're sticking with it', which doesn't help me change anything, and if the Divine stay out of politics/are in favor of action to break the alliances (which it appears, IC, that they are not, and Estarra seems to be saying here that they are not), then Mirami talking to them will only hurt her.

EDIT: but that won't stop her! (from Celestians, not Eventru)

Maybe I'm remembering wrong, but didn't the god realm addition include a divine war thing? That sounds exactly like a great way for the gods to help out with sweeping alliance changes that the orgs want.

It's been used like once for testing purposes, and untouched since. Wish there were more.

I believe most order heads can start them...