If both Celina and Othero are convinced, then I think I'm willing to see this through too. It's about as close as we'll get to avoiding an unlynchable scum without full claims and (hopefully) minimize potential loss for the fellowship.

Nominate Celina as Leader
Vote: Othero

Bye "unlynchable" I meant "unkillable", pardon.

...You do realize we have no means at this time to be sure that Celina isn't scum with a kill resist power? She never gave a name or anything else with relation to her role.

Our other options are Req, who hasn't revealed anything about himself, and you, who whiffed your opportunity to try to prove much with King Anthony's ghost. Unless you want to randomly select someone and hope they are vanilla?

Actually, to be honest I'd be more comfortable just voting Othero in as leader. I understand you are attempting to get your cake and eat it to, but when we add more variables we end up with more uncertain issues. I'm fairly certain that the leadership job continues past death, meaning we have two situations-

1. We vote in Othero, then kill, see he is town, res, set the leadership up as fellowship.

2. We vote in Celina, have her vote for Othero, kills him, revenge backlashes on Celina, we then have an unproven leader other than showing she has some form of kill resistance.

Personally, I'd rather do option A since we are making a huge deal over the challenge anyways so we have the most certain results.

Unnominate Lorick, Nominate for Leader Othero

That is what I would rather have Vendetta, the most certain results if we have to kill someone over the job.

So under option 1 you have there, you'd want to vote Othero in for leader, then we can lynch him, with Celina still getting the last vote? Then she isn't unlynchable, and we can decide what to do from there if she doesn't die to revenge?

Something else to consider: should we try to do anything with the 500 gold the leader gets, or let it be lost if such is destined to be? I mean, if we pick the former, we'll have to come up with some means of deciding who should get what amounts, and that opens a whole new can of worms.

Best way to handle gold would be to give it to another party the leader believes is town, to hold unto until a res or if one is not coming at least able to put to good use. It should be up to the leader though.

As for Celina, since you can't vote to lynch a leader she wouldn't be able to finish the vote in your line of thought. My point is we are trying to grasp too much and missing one of the very basic points that started this whole thing which Req has tried very hard to hammer home "Only let in confirmed townies into the leader position". Since we can't confirm Celina at this time, it would be much safer for the town to go with the orginal plan with Othero. That is one I can support and understand. Celina just leaves too many uncertainities to kill someone over.

Oh, doh, you're right. Can't lynch Othero if we make him the leader.

Though, is Othero really any more "confirmed" than Celina at this point? He offered to get himself killed - she offered to have a kill resistance removed. If you're willing to believe Celina might be lying and have more kill resistance than she's letting on, what makes you feel comfortable with believing Othero might not have a resistance he has hidden altogether?

I'm not certain, but he was willing to answer my questions about his reasoning and it made sense. If he is bluffing, we would know very quickly and he hasn't done anything thus far to make me have any serious doubts about his role. Nor have we had anyone else come forward claiming revenge powers, which tend to be specialized. Also, he was willing to go ahead with option 2, which involved death and no position. These at least suggest he is being somewhat honest in his claim.

With Celina, we would have to kill her to be certain of her side, which would require us to vote her into the office prior to knowing her affliation since we sort of lack day killers at the moment. Also, she put forth her nomination as leader to be the leader, Othero put forth his to cleanse the office. I'm more willing to put some trust in the later than the former.

Also, both of these plans depend heavily on having a resser and a vig. If we don't have one or both they fall apart and I'd rather have one person at risk than two. I hope that makes sense.

Also, where is Shiri? He has been much more lurky in this game.

He's British and will be asleep for several hours yet.

Hmm. And I guess the potential of revenge working through a nightkill adds an interesting twist to the leader position. Rather convenient, actually.

After a little more consideration, I think I'll

Unnominate: Celina
Unvote: Othero

But I'll wait a little longer before trying to dedicate to another judgment. I'm skipping around too fast with my thoughts. Anyone see a hole in this, by chance, or does it appear sound?

I thought Shiri lived on the tears of forum trolls and the vile presence acidic Forum RP arguements.

Didn't actually know the bot had a beating heart.

Heh, I stand corrected.

Do you have any problems with the orginal plan Othero?