Dude take a deep breathe. I can understand you are upset but lets just calm down. If it turns out that we later want to lynch the leader we can just have lorick do it. At this point I don't really care who gets the spot lets just remain calm guys.

*sigh* I'm torn between editing that out or not.

I just had a rather nasty turn IRL, and this gave me something fun to keep my mind on. I'm going to go away for a day or two and if I'm still alive then hopefully I'll feel like arguing with a brick wall again. Good luck, town.

I don't see where Othero retracted being killed. (I do see where Othero retracted having him being used to kill off two townies)
We are still going to be killing the leader at some point. As you initially suggested. that leader being Othero, who will die via a non-lynching.

Unnominate Celina for leader
Unvote

As we now have 48 hours and the whole plan is getting changed around I suggest unvoting to lynch me unless you want to end up getting killed yourself. I don't feel like becoming a useless lynch because the timer ticked down or end up taking out a second townie if it isn't adding anything.

Yeah, I'm looking at things and I want to go with the original plan that was suggested for the sacrifice. I'll offer myself to be leader, a day kill can kill me either today or tomorrow, and then if we have a rez they can bring me back if they think it is worth it. That was the first plan, the one people seemed to like, and the one I offered myself up for.
Nominate Othero for leader

Also, we need a possible lynch target or Req or Othero will die due to most votes. Anyone you two suspect?

Requiem makes a good point I think people missed. Repeatedly pushing to be investigated is a something a serial killer would do. I remember in the Sonic game, the player that was playing Shadow kept saying "investigate me, investigate me, I'm sonic." Why? Because his power was one that made him appear to be Sonic when he was investigated. Lorick's utter denial that investigation just isn't totally reliable makes me even more suspicious of him (bolded). His repeated pushing to make himself the leader makes him more suspicious. His very obvious misuse of his power is really odd. Now, I'm not saying Lorick is scum, because he seems to do this no matter what side he's on as apparent in last game. I'm saying his posts need to be taken with a grain (or 10) of salt, and an eye kept on him.

I'm fine with not being leader, I'm just curious as to why Othero. Did I miss something that made him super reliable? That seems to be everyone's motivation earlier.

It isn't that I don't grasp what Req was stating about innocence, but the fact he divides up his claim and puts it against itself. He claimed that that I was some sort of multi-powered sk with innocence while at the same time discussing the mafia godfather as having innocence. However, in most cases investigations would be reliable and thus banking solo on innocence itself as a reason alone is not a good policy to have. It's worth keeping an eye out for, but jumping up and down claiming it prior to any investigation taking place at all is just attempting to pre-empt the results of any investigation that does come up while at the same time attempting to cover yourself should the results come back with a finding you don't agree with.

For what it is worth, I don't currently believe Othero is scum, nor do I feel Req is come. I do feel he has somehow let himself get used by some faction for some purpose, but I don't know if it is simply a townie thing or a scum just taking advantage of the situation put forth. I also currently have no reason to suspect Celina, pro or con, simply because we lack so much information about her. She only seems to discuss me, ever, so it isn't like there has been any major contributations to the town.

Currently, I feel we might be best suited to poking some of the stronger lurkers at this point and seeing what we turn up. Anyone who hasn't given a strong opinion on any subject or only submitted fluff posts should be good starts, since the scum will want to hide themselves until they get a better idea of what roles the town has available. Anyone disagree with this assessment?

ugh, "nor do I feel Req is scum" it should say instead. What I get for posting while tired.

Hmm, for example, Arix and Silf have both contributed little to any discussion while at the same avoided voting thus far. They would be good prods. We also have Sabre whom has spoken up very little and really only to jump on the bandwagon while avoiding discussion. There are others, but those seem like good starts if we wanted to go that route.

Actually, I take that back, Arix has voted, he just hasn't been back to do anything with it since he cast it.

The first point about the Godfather was just a reference to traditional mafia roles. Much the same as I've been saying hunter for Othero's claim and BP for Celina's. Perhaps I should have said "Godfather-esque innocence," but don't pretend like that's a valid reason to dismiss my accusation.

You also say that it's not likely that you have innocence, mostly just because you having innocence would be a bad thing for you. I've already explained why I think you're a serial killer, and why I think Bali would have given you innocence to encourage you to take the leadership position.

I'm mostly just going to harp on this for the time being. Although I do want to point out that Lorick is also trying to discredit me because I "on three different occassions doubted that we had a vig, a cop, and/or a rezzer" when I didn't actually say we didn't have them, just that we didn't know we had them. And Lorick himself used the same "we don't know we have a vig" and "we don't know we have a rezzer" on different occasions to complain about ideas that I'd suggested. I can get the quotes if necessary.

Also, Dag, if you could quote my relevant post and possibly highlight the part in question while you're addressing something I've said, it would go a long way towards making me feel like you're at least pretending that I'm not a huge strawman for you to tear into.

I've decided that I'm fine with the nominate Celina and get her to lynch Othero plan thing.

Nominate Celina for Leader, Vote: Othero

Oh, and you guys realize that you have to kill me and Othero both now, right? You can't afford to let us live. So yay to Dag for managing to go from the handful of plans that kill a single townie and verify a couple people, to getting 2 townies necessarily lynched.

Regarding the idea that Lorick is an SK, I'll keep it in my head but am not convinced. It's probably because of what happened in the Touhou game, Lorick was so...... retarded, yet still town.

It's not like we have a better plan atm. And since there's a deadline in place... Nominate Celina for leader, Vote: Othero. (Also I'm sorry I haven't been present much, I didn't think my insomnia could get much worse but then I got flu. Hoo boy.)

See, I have this thing called 'real life' that takes up most of my free time. When I am actually able to get on t he computer, the forums are just one of many things I am paying attention to, and it takes me awhile to shift through the actual contributions when I have to filter them through the postcount filler that you continuously spew out, Lorick. Anyway, I meant to unvote Requiem, but I was waiting for town to form a coherent plan regarding the leader. I'll un-nominate requiem now. Also, I am not voting for a lynch since I don't want to accidentally ninja someone, I see that othero's lynch count is far ahead of the leader count

Also, Zynna and Silferras would be wise to participate more