But I'm primarily basing the accusation on his roleclaim itself. At the very beginning of the day he put himself up for leader nomination by saying that he was a jack of all trades that could help town, but wouldn't be significant if he died. When pressed, he's claimed at least a day kill and some other random things. Town sided characters like that usually have a collection of one shot abilities (protection, investigation, force truth, et cetera) or have kill powers. Not both. He seems entirely too useful to consider himself a throwaway utility character.

And like I said, I'm pretty sure Bali would have given the SK innocence to encourage him to run for leader. Lorick is the only person who ever ran for leader. I nominated myself because, as I explained, non-mason townies couldn't legitimately vote for anyone but themselves. I think Sabre might have done something similar (I can't remember who it was) but Lorick is the only one who pushed himself.

Glad to see you've got your head back in the game. Commiting suicide doesn't make for an interesting game for anyone.

As for the Vig/Resser issue, if you would like to quote them, go ahead. My remarks were with regards to the first series of plans where I actually supported the idea, but was pointing out where it may go wrong. The resser was to Othero in that I wasn't sure we had one at this point, and he was offering to kill himself so I let him know I wasn't one. Sometimes it's a Jack of all Trades power, and I wanted him to make that decision with all the information I could give him. Vig was with regard to I believe your first plan which if I recall my statement went something like "This may not work if we don't have a vig or a resser" but I continued to support it even though because I could realistically assume we had at least one of those roles. The only think you have done with regards to them is discredit any idea put forth that also required those roles, but actually went a step further to push for a daykiller, making a large deal about it and resulting in me coming forward.. So yeah. Go ahead and quote them if you want.

As for innocence, there isn't any real way for me to prove I'm not, which makes it such an easy thing to claim on someone else. They can't disprove it since it is a passive ability, and even if they do show up as town you can claim it was the power. So.. Not even worth me fighting over to be honest. I can show another one of my powers tomorrow, and by weight of my role pretty much discredit this with time I believe. I would hope you wouldn't be twichy enough to assume someone has multiple day powers/innocence/aaand a night kill all wrapped up in one package. No character in any of bali's games has had anything even remotely approaching that level of retarded.

I'd actually argue this time around Arix that Req has me beat on sheer word count.

This is confusing to follow, and I think you missed the point. Requiem was motivated to call out the SK possibility (not that I totally agree with him) because you kept pushing the "investigate me, investigate me." My point is that I've seen that before, and it was, in fact, an SK. So just keep that in mind. It's the reality of the situation whether you want to believe it or not.



Yes, you do tend to be quite vocal and push issues over and over. So you tend to take the focus away from anything else. A small part of me also hopes the constant pressure will break you or make you screw up.

Also, I've discussed and asked about other things, but it's not terribly shocking that you over generalize and exaggerate still.

You've asked about items and game mechanics, which aren't related to actual advancement of the game but allow you to play it better. I'm not discounting them, but you haven't exactly asked any questions of anyone else regarding their thoughts, feelings, roles, or powers or come forward with an estimate on anyone else but me. Hence why I made those statements.

oh

nominate: Celina

Let's get a move on.

Stop exaggerating or read more carefully.

I got tired of waiting for my brain to fix itself, so I took the necessary steps to correct my chemicals. We'll just leave it at that. You guys are probably still required to kill me, though, for the same reason we have to kill Othero. I volunteered to be sacrificed.

About the vig/rezzer thing, your explanation is exactly what I was doing. The iteration of the plan that I was on at that point works the way I said it would. We didn't need any more information and we didn't need to hope we had a vigilante. I was merely pointing out that your plans had a chance of failure, whereas mine did what it was claimed. You disagree with the outcome of my plan, which is fine and I'm willing to admit that it might not be where the town wanted to go, but my plan was safer than putting someone into office and hoping we could remove him later.

About the dayvig thing, that's the part that confuses me. I might not have expressed myself clearly, but both you and Othero were making a much larger deal about day-killing than I ever intended. I suggested it initially because if a day-vig shot Celina in the face, then we could verify her in time to nominate her for leader. Then Othero's claim gave us a work-around for the day-vig thing. Instead of an activated power that he bolded, we could just have Celina hammer the lynch on him. It wasn't quite as ideal, but it didn't waste our day-vig (assuming we had one).

Most of the time I was talking about a normal night vig who typically doesn't have limited kills. Any time I meant a dayvig/daykill specifically, then I said it that way. Maybe if you found the post that confused the whole issue I could explain what I was actually talking about?

About your role, so far the only thing you've demonstrated is a throw-away ability (or it might have actually been useful for a challenge or something. We'll see about that later) and you've claimed a day kill. I'm not asking you to tell us anything else, but given the information we have I wouldn't say that your claimed powers make for an unreasonable serial killer.

I know personally I felt Othero was at least able to show he wasn't as likely to be scum when he went ahead with Req's plan after the leadership position and all of it's benefits were switched to you Celina while Req pushed forward with killing him anyways. I understand the thought behind, I just don't agree with it.

Basically, it showed at least in part to me Othero was willing to die to clear his name on the belief we have a resser somewhere, while at the same time disassociating that desire from the job itself. Hence why I'd rather have him in the job, no offense. With the first plan we would kill the leader, check alignment, and possibly res them back into the office, then we have an unlynchable townie we could use. You've put yourself forward, even willing to lose your claimed power, but I don't have the same disassociation with you as of yet.

Oh well, we can kill me tomorrow then.

Unvote Requiem
Vote Othero
Nominate Celina

Actually, just in case Bali let's us do it, I'd rather Celina hammered the kill on Othero before we nominate her. Bali said they happen at the same time, but presumably the timestamp on her vote still counts.

Unnominate Celina (Sorry for all of the vote flopping)

Technically I didn't un-nominate myself before voting for Celina...

Un-nominate Requiem

But Othero has admitted to having a vengeance ability, and so far I'm the only one that we know of that can survive it. This is where I'm confused. Do you want to give Othero the benefit of the doubt, or are you sticking to your plan earlier of voting him in, killing him, then rezzing him? If it's a benefit of the doubt thing, why the change of heart? You seemed adamant about needing proof earlier.

I'm only willing to lose my power because after claiming, it doesn't serve much point. I'm not a high priority on the mafia's list if it takes two rounds to take me out.

Need one more vote on Othero before I vote.

I don't believe we are required to kill you Req, nor do I believe we are required to reveal your role as of yet. Nothing you haven't put forth hasn't at the very least had some sort of grounding to it, and while I don't neccessarily agree with all of the parts of it, we are using volunteers and I don't find you any more scummy than most of our actives. I didn't care for making a large deal about day vig you did, but it wasn't something someone with your information wouldn't naturally feel. Personally, I don't think we have but maybe one organized scum and maybe one or two independants actively participating in discussions right now with the way the votes haven't piled up either way until recently, and I do believe we would have a higher chance of catching one among our lurkers.

Well, I guess this is how it goes.

Vote : Othero