...Celina, you just don't get it and you don't read any of the old posts. I claimed Tith, the Tutor back when I went for the Leader office. I said Fenix is the scum leader. Tith = Lorick, Fenix = Scum, very easy to get. I asked you about your name because I wanted to make sure it wasn't going to just be an easy do or don't claim, especially since Fenix sounds sort of knighty. The reasons I'm currently highly suspicious is we don't have a townie speaking up saying they are kill resistance to make you _not_ be Fenix, the way you've been jumping at me lately, and how you went from Nightkill Resistance to Kill Resistance to 1 Shot Kill Resistances over like 5 pages back during the election. If someone else speaks up as a townie and says they are kill resistant, it lends credit to the arguement that you aren't Fenix.

And to be honest, this isn't really your choice to make but mine. Anyways, we need to discuss suspicions. Furien, anyone suspicious to you currently?

Ooooh. Well I was certainly confused about the whole Fenix/name claim thing. I thought you were trying to get me to claim the name "you were given" which I took to mean the name you were given as your role, and was not buying that.

Thanks for clarifying.

My claim didn't change. For one, it never went from "nightkill resistance" to "kill resistance." Secondly, I specified the limits of my power by saying it was a one :censor: "bullet proof" power when Requiem asked. That's not "changing."

one hit. Not one....well you know.

I'll leave my vote on Req for now, but I'm going to get some sleep and check back in the morning. Night everyone.

Alright, well Bali didn't actually tell me I couldn't talk. I requested clarification, but I want to speak in the mean time.



You completely misunderstand me, Lorick. The reason I asked for a bluesac was so we could eliminate the unlynchable position entirely. I wanted someone who didn't matter to claim, we picked him as leader, and we had a generic killing role to take him out of the game. I know you understood that at some point because I remember you saying something about I wanted the leader removed from play. I think this is also where you and Othero became obsessed with a dayvig, but I was never more in favor of a daykill than a nightkill. That's a tangent you guys went down all by yourselves.

I was also trying to explain to people that putting a tank as unlynchable was a bad plan because if we needed to kill them later, it would be almost impossible. But Celina's claim let us strip her BP shield, so theoretically she can be killed at any time. If you feel we need to kill her, then by all means go for it. My original goal was always to get rid of the leader. That being said, I don't know that we necessarily have to kill Celina right this second. On the other hand, Lorick is probably going to die next night we have so it might be better to do it before we lose the opportunity. Remember that if town loses its killing roles, if Celina is mafia then we just outright lose.

After Othero came forward with his claim, we had a killing power. We didn't have to just nebulously hope that we had a vig. We had someone alive right then that we could use. The only problem was that we couldn't lynch him if we made him the leader.

I figured it would be more beneficial to the town to verify both of their claims (remember, Othero was claiming a power that relied on being lynched while running for unlynchable.) And then later, when Lorick just decided that Othero was magically town because he volunteered, Othero started making noises about how he'd rather be leader than be sacrificed. When someone volunteers to be lynched, you have to lynch them. Otherwise it lets the mafia engender goodwill. If Othero was actually scum and we hadn't lynched him, notice that Shiri and Lorick at least were all about calling him confirmed town? We didn't know that then.

Also, that's why I kept saying that I needed to be lynched. I volunteered myself to be lynched and now you guys have to follow through. Otherwise there's always the chance that I'm mafia and just wanted people to back off.



You just guaranteed that if Celina isn't Fenix, the real one isn't going to say anything now. All he has to do is say nothing and you'll string her up from a tree. You should have waited to see if anyone else was going to counter-claim her so we had a 50/50 shot of getting the right one.

Also, I still think Lorick is the SK. Remember that.

Wow, that was rather unorganized. Sorry about the cluttered thinking. I'm still recovering from last night.

Hi. Apparently I've replaced Silferras, but I've been away since Friday. I'll catch up when I have time later tonight.

I've been really insanely busy, sorry.

Reading this just makes me want to tl;dr, it's hard to concentrate.

I think Lorick could be onto something with Celina. But I only skimmed.


Also we'd want to hear about the other people who bought hookers.

I recieved no mechanical benefit from the hooker

Although I didn't agree with the plan, I think the plan with Celina/Othero worked the way it was purported to: Celina proved daykill resistance and Othero proved himself as a bomb. If our rezzer only has limited rezzes though, it doesn't make sense to re-raise Othero, which is a shame because he's skilled.

I think the scum got lucky with the shot on Daganev -- I don't see any way they could have known that he was a vigilante.

I'm a little suspicious of Lorick voting for Reqium after putting the snail on him, when it looked like Reqium wasn't allowed to talk today (unclear now, I guess, whether Req can or not), but I think that Lorick tends to overly commit on a course of action once he thinks someone is guilty.

The down side of no night, that I hadn't much thought of before, is that it also means that any investigator, rezzer, etc. can't use their powers either, so with two lynches in a row we should probably find a pair that have been going after each other and lynch one to see what it reveals about the other.

Req can talk, he is just under the effects of a roleblock.

Yeah, I heard back from Bali. I don't know why Lorick told me I couldn't talk, but I can. I just can't trade gold or buy time with the hookers.

Also, how does this prove you're town, Lorick? Although it does imply that we have a decent number of people with daytime abilities.

P.S. I re-read the post that Lorick made. I misread what he wrote and it says "can talk." My bad on that one.

But Lorick, you said that "reading this" makes you more annoyed with me than you were at the beginning of the day. Could explain what it was? I hadn't said much at that point, so I don't think it was anything I did.

Zynna, I did bring that up before we voted but no one seemed to care, so I went ahead and hammered on the resting bit. Also, besides the fact that I'm pretty sure Lorick is a serial killer, I don't think that the mafia is talking much. I think we'd do better to lynch a couple of the lurkers and hope we get lucky.

((OMG, interwebs, squee!!))

Ahem. So, I'm not really quite sure what to think right now. I personally don't think Requiem is scum. I'm pretty nervous as to the Daganev thing. I guess it probably was a case of him just being a strong player and the mafia wanting to take him out, but what confuses me is that there are a lot of strong players in this game, so why him in particular first?

There's been a lot of quiet in this game, which concerns me. Behind the noise of a few, that is. Basically up to now this has been Lorick, Requiem, Daganev, and Celina yelling between one another, creating 29 pages. Most others (myself included, though to be fair that was due to moving across country and setting up internet) have only quipped once or twice to vote, or some not even doing that. If we've got two days of lynches, we're gonna need to make people start talking that aren't Lorick, Requiem, or Celina. Otherwise we're basically pulling names out of a hat.

I am not so sure either Lorick or Requiem is scum, and I'd be more inclined to lynch lurkers while hoping that an investigator will be able to give us some guidance eventually.

I'm assuming they killed Dag as a double whammy. People keep saying he's a strong player and he and I were obviously at odds with each other yesterday. You kill Dag, the finger automatically swings towards me. I'm actually surprised that Shiri was the only one who's really suggested it so far. I would have expected at least two of the scum to start a bandwagon party on me.

Yeah, which our whole skip night thing kinda gums things up. Investigators are useless unless night comes. I get that it's nice to skip an opportunity for the scum to do their crap, but now we're sitting with the problem of two lynches in a row with little information thus far since it's only day 2.

Dont make me deadline you.

No, Lorick. You're the one who keeps saying that I'm not. I never said this. I even argued that I hadn't implied this LAST time you said I couldn't be a PR. I'm not saying I actually am cop/doc/whatever, but at some point I'll end up claiming and I don't want Lorick poisoning my credibility because he insists I can't possibly be something useful. The only thing that I did was remind you that you had no way of knowing whether we had any of the roles that your plans depended on, and I advised us to use the plan that worked with known information.

It would have been nice if you guys had chimed in before we decided to rest. I even brought it up to make sure we thought about it, but everyone decided that only scum would want to have a night period.