I'll agree that a more solid roleclaim from Dugan would be nice.

A solid sort of role claim?

What good would it do? Or is it that you just want to know? I am kinda curious.

Well lets see.

I can do as people have said ... possibly saving myself from a lynch ... but painting a big target on my back ... or stay silent and possibly get lynched. Death either way.

Okay. Lets see what happens. I am a Medical Ronin. My legendary skills are known to be able to bring people back from the dead. Due to the nature of the skill I can do this once. I can prove this tonight if you guys wish and bring Xavius back ..... You all want me to prove it? You keep wanting proof ....

Now it can get interesting and I am sure no matter what I will be dead in the next day or so.

If any shogun already has three ronin, he will not want to risk me getting on another team and revive any of their fallen. If there is an SK, he will not want me around cause people who return from the dead are not good for him. He'd have to get rid of the same person twice. Downside to that is any tracker type can just watch me and see who targets me ....

This is also bad for those who keep votes on me ... cause a sharp eye might just figure out who is already on a team.

There is your full claim ... satisfied?

If you're unaligned, why haven't you brought Xavius back already? It would seem to be in your interest to do so...

Why would I? It's not like if I did I would automatically be on his team. I would still need to be recruited. I would much rather use it for one on my team than for one who isn't.

Kiradawea also exorcised him, if that did anything... Might make him un-rezz-able.

Is it a night action? I'm willng to bet there is at least one recruitment around considering how the game is set up. If you don't get recruited and it is a day action, go ahead, if it is a night action, hold off one night then see what happens.

I'll role claim. I can influence lynches, causing any lynch I don't care for to end in a no lynch.

Not sure if I can beat you out in a recruitment, but I can try..

Mine can only be done at night.

if Xavius is rezz'd, there'll be at least one spot open, since the most he could have recruited is 2, right?

Wait WHAT?

Why would a ronin bring back a leader who may or may not recruit them?

Also, Dugan, why would you suggest ressing Xavius? Wouldn't it make more sense to suggest ressing Solanis? The only explanation for why you would want to rez Xavius who has a "kidnap" and NK ability, would be if you A. Wanted the Ninjas to win, or B. Were already on Xavius's faction.

If I was in your shoes, I would offer to rez Solanis, and then offer to be recruited by the Bandits.

However, since you are offering to rez Xavius, I'm going to have to keep my lynch vote on you.

Also to Lorick, you are way off base. I don't think I've said anything about Kira, and my own suggestions contradicted her recently re-posted ones. I think our SK is a ronin yet to be recruited. I also think all 3 leaders have NK abilities. (It's also possible however, that one of the Leaders tried to recruit Xavius, afterall, he is a good player, and couldn't. So the next night, they killed him.) Solanis however seemed more like a random SK kill.

Why would you think that Zetsu would be recruited so early on in the game? I would not be surprised if I'm recruited tonight.

I'm guessing at this point that Romertein was recruited by Xavius.

if I could rezz, I'd rezz Xavius, because a third leader would increase my chances of getting picked, assuming all the leaders have another pick left-

2 leaders = 2 in x chance
3 leaders = 3 in x chance

3 picks would increase the odds from 1/2 to 2/3.

Of course, Dugan could also be aligned already, or Kiradawea's ability could make Xavius un-rezz-able, which would make this whole conversation moot anyways.

I want my 1/6 extra chance of getting recruited.

The 'exorcise' thing was just Kiradawea playfully telling Xavius to stfu because he got lynched.

If you could rezz, your chance of being recruited would be nearly 100% regardless of how many leaders are left. (btw, whats the collective term for all the leaders? Ninja + Bandit + Shogun == what?)

But I can't rezz, so naturally I want the rezzer to rezz somebody that can let me win.

Worst thing that could happen to me if Xavius is raised is if I'm recruited to a non-xavius team or not recruited at all, at which point I can vote to lynch Xavius anyways.

Lets just call the collective leaders of each faction Godfathers for tradition and leave it as a collective term for all of them.

Dag, you are trying very hard to discredit a resser and since I believe you are a part of the Shogunite, it most likely means the Shogunite is out of recruitment. Meaning Ninja's and Bandit's would be Dugan's only source of recruitment at this point, and it is possible the bandits would be full up. Not likely, but there is a slim chance.

Kira doesn't remove the dead Rom, she was just telling Xavius to quit talking after he was dead. She is a Shogunite member, along with Dag. They have the nightkiller based on all the previous kills. If all the leaders had the kill option we wouldn't be having these steady kills every night, it would already be finished.

Also, how is ressing Solaris a better option for the unrecruited Ronin than Xavius? Xavius has two more recruitments, and might be convinced into wasting one had Dugan not already stated he could only do it once. So, his best option would be to wait one more night and then use it to disrupt the game if he wasn't picked up.

You are really pushing for a lynch on him, and I'm letting you know I'm not going to let it go through. It's pointless, switch the vote for Kira or you've proved my point for me Dag.

um what? Why whould I switch my vote to kira again? Because you want to be a bully? I'm not discreding a rezzer, I'm discrediting bad logic.

It's allready been agreed upon that Xavius's team is wanted killed by the majority at this point. If you are saying that its lynch the person of your choosing, or nobody, then I say we lynch you, and take our chances. Or you just use your power now and end hte day in a no lynch.

I've suggested muliple lynch targets at this point, and you keep insisting things to be true which are not.

but you just wrote.. "If I could rez!"

Sooo, you believe Dugan is a resser, and since no one has been ressed most likely unaligned, but you rather go for him over the nightkiller. Smooth.

To be fair, nobody on a team wants Xavius rezzed, and Dugan sounds like he's going to rezz Xavius. If Dugan is unaligned, he wants to rezz Xavius. Nobody on either bandits -or- shogun team wants this to happen, so I really wouldn't be surprised if the lynch got pushed through.