And Shiri, you didn't answer my question

@Shiri:This question

http://forums.lusternia.com/index.php?s=&a...st&p=705033

If you didn't mean any suspicion, then I'm sorry for bringing it up, it just sounded to me like you wanted something clarified so you could press a bit further.

Shiri, if anyone else thought I was a good lynch, they'd be voting for me. You've laid out all your arguments before and no one was swayed. In that time, however, Dag moved his vote back to you. You're a flailing fish, Shiri, a flailing fish.

Well even in the very post you quoted, you have her deliberately (can't be accidental given that everyone else understood it) misrepresenting my views on the best people to lynch in absence of evidence, then a couple posts down producing examples that contradict her, then below THAT misrepresenting my unprovoked change of mind as "Daganev calling me out", despite the fact that's not actually what you were doing at the time...there doesn't seem to be any other reasonable conclusion.

As for Siam, firstly I thought your "it's not fair to vote for people based on their roles" was highly suspect because that sounds like exactly the kind of thing a scum would say when he was in danger of being busted for an unfair reason, rather than a townie who wouldn't be as concerned with that specific aspect of it. Secondly there was the spamming. Rika knew when her ability was going to go off. You didn't. So the spamming looked really dodgy to me, like an attempt to throw it off, which eventually did happen because Rika ended up massively whiffing for some reason and only grabbing Solanis. Neither of these things are airtight (hence the FOS instead of vote) and I'm sure you'll be able to make excuses for them whether you're town or not, but it sets off my scum sensors anyway and makes you worthy of investigation.

This sounds EXACTLY like the kind of thing I said when I was cult a long while ago trying to pressure Celina into flipping out. It reeks of trying to assert your position so you don't actually have to back up your claims, meanwhile defence from the victim actually does start to look like struggling. Mistake I still make sometimes. Here I suspect it's a giveaway.

Right. Thanks for reminding me. I did indeed want to press further, but then I decided it wasn't the right point in the game to do so.

It's a bit complicated and I don't want to throw in red herrings, so you can ignore the next paragraph if you are skimming/not-bored.

But basically it sounded to me like Shiri wanted to lynch people on the basis of "If these people are scum, we'd be in trouble." He also seemed to be making assumptions about the scum that we didn't have information about from the first page. Leading me to believe he got a PM explaining some scum rule. Ontop of that, he seemed to be ignoring how usefull those roles were for the town, as if that wasn't an important factor.
On top of that, I thought he had meant that since the scum can't use their own powers and scum powers, that we could use thier lack of using powers to weed them out (which I thought was incredibly stupi idea). But someone explained what he was really meaning. So I didn't want to pursue so many different lines of thought from just one post so early in the game.

See, badger? I was right about Dag wanting to say something, he just forgot.

So you assumed something you had no way of knowing, that wasn't evident in the thread, and which he later contradicted and only just now posted about, and this is evidence against me?

@Daganev: huh? I don't understand what I'm supposed to have gotten from a scum PM. The only thing I remember taking a stab at that was only implicit on the front page and not clearly stated was that Ultros couldn't use his powers and nightpowers at the same time, but presumably you don't mean that...Kefka had that restriction and Ultros' method of killing is already better than Kefka's.
You're right that I was ignoring how useful the roles were for town, hence my course correction, but that isn't evidence in Casilu's favour because of what she was actually arguing.

I dissagree with your assesment. But I don't want another 5 page argument about it. If anyone is interested they can go back and read those pages over again themselves.

If you notice my post to the other thread, "Should we curb raiding" you'll notice that my first post there has many edits, simply because the thread allowed me to edit my post. If the thread didn't allow me to edit the content of my post I would've been spamming.

Yes. I didn't know Rika was charging her ability. In fact, I was in danger of being hit by her ability #7 since I didn't even vote yet. You might recall that towns get 12.5% of dying to her ability, while scums have a 50% chance, if I were scum, I'd have been most likely dead by now, given that dice rolls are done individually. Also, my subsequent 'spam' posts weren't intentional- it's plain to see from what I've written there. I had a lot of catching up to do and the posts were just thoughts that popped out after I posted. Tervic, who had an even greater catching up to do also made one post after the other - it's how you think you've understood things for the most part but then a new theory/question comes into your mind. I think it's natural.

Ok. In any case, she seems like a more solid lynch than Siam or Kira at the moment. I'm also down with leaving Kira alone for today even if she -is- the best lynch because then I can grab her douse ability.

This part makes sense...this actually applies to all the nonvoters except Mog (joy, a reason NOT to lynch lurkers, sigh) so again we're looking either at people who were still voting at the time (Casilu) or a dubious coinflip.

Just confirms why I was right not to trust you guys to stuff it up even more.

stuff it up?

You're just jealous 'cause I get all the ladies.

I got a comatose one!

Actually, that's me being bored at work and mashing the refresh key.

You still had a lot of catching up done!

Just out of curiousity, am I so frightening that the only way you could think to win against me is by ninjalynching me, or did you purposefully ignore that, oh, I quite clearly stated I'd be gone about 20 hours.

Net at home is down, so I only have one shot a day at getting on here. When I leave again I won't be able to get on for quite some time. That's why I couldn't unvote before Rika. I didn't have a chance. And really, I thought that after Rika posted Swordtech, that it would be at that moment the charging started. That's why I unvoted. Because I genuinely thought that after that we had to fill seven pages with idle chatter.

Really, if you guys think I'm scum, feel free to roleblock me. It's not like I have any night-action that can be roleblocked. And even then, the very least you can do is let me persist one day so the aqua rake protects at least one of you. I really don't get why this is so suspicious. If anything, Rika should also be suspicious then for using the Quadraslam without giving people a chance to unvote. Especially since she later claims to try and hint at people to post less,


yet on the page before she Quadraslams, she has a total of ten posts, many that could easily be combined or outright avoided.

Seems more to me that she was actively building up towards a Quadraslam as quick as she could, thus purposefully not giving people a shot at unvoting.

It is?