Pfft. At the rate they are going, Mag is going to be more "mini" than Gaudiguch.

Perhaps not literally, but figuratively, given all of the fighters of Gaudi are just fiery mags, and will probably continue acting like mags but with pyro skills is what I meant!

I wonder where they missed the memo on the fact that chaos and being predictable don't go hand in hand, and becoming mini-mag is incredibly predictable.

All I know is, Glom needs to be on friendly terms with at least one of them, because I need a place to vacation in.

Let me suggest Gaudiguch for a vacation spot. Reminds me of New Orleans during Mardi Gras with all the drinking and weed. I'm a little shocked they haven't had a state-sponsored orgy yet.

... Lets get me in that Minister of Culture spot.

Hallifax was so interesting and pretty, but then I realize everyone there is anal-retentive, hates laughter, and...oh, right, the org evidently just sucks compared to Gaudi. It isn't secure in the slightest.

Based on histories alone, Gaudiguch was my second favorite place, right behind Gloriana/Glomdoring. But a lot of Gloms went Halli, so now it's even! I think Glom should just be whatever with both, so I can get debauched in Gaudi, and then philisophically appreciate the complexities of aeromantic engineering and the enlightened intermingling of art and science in Halli. Also, lucidian gigolos.

To elaborate on this: I find Continuum and the guardian guild fascinating to the point where I have to restrain myself from moving Alianna there for the convenience of staying high-level and full of lessons. The problem? Being a fighter by nature, I can't stand my org being on the bottom, especially when there is little I can do about it. Even if I'm playing an ickle alt, the beatdown will still get to me on a psychological level and make things become less fun. Happened with a Celest alt or two. Coincidentally, Gaudi is mini-Mag. Hmm. Funny how that turned out.

Gaudi still has some anal people, too. A few people have chosen to bring some of their other city rp over instead of fully embracing the Gaudi lifestyle, and it's kinda harshing the buzz.

I should get that job. The streets will run sticky with promise.

Oh, geez. Cas... >.>

Let's just let things run its current course...

Yes, and? I for one am upset at the people who went, overnight, from being devout followers of the Light or twisted taint monsters to being alcoholic potheads. People don't change overnight like that - everyone got so excited that they left roleplay by the wayside and started acting out for OOC laffs.

Or, since the ALL of the original cities and communes (I've heard rumours about Serenwilde, but then other Serens refute them, so I can't say for sure on them) are stuffy and impose rules on their citizens. Since people have a survival instinct and generally like to clump up, they sacrifice acting how they wish to in public for the sake of holding citizenship in one of those organizations. Now, Gaudi has deemed it fine to be oneself in the open without fear of reprimand. Hence, people do.

This happens everywhere in real life. Often the ones suffering under the most repressed environments lose their minds when set free. I don't see a problem rp wise.

You just want in on my superorgies. Maybe you can join a more private one.

You're confusing order for repression - more importantly, you're making assumptions about everyones' characters in order to justify their behavior for them. Sure, once you take away all their controls people tend to act out, but it varies dractically between individuals and it doesn't consist purely of 'Oooh yeah let's get ****ed up all the time!'. You're making Gaudiguch sound like a bunch of pastors' children just showed up for their first day of college and started screwing in the halls.

If only it would've been like that. And my original comment wasn't about some people not want to "get up all the time." It was exactly what you just mentioned - repression. They're trying to bring control into the picture. Trying to say what people can and cannot do... when the city leader specifically said (Before anyone was offered to be incitizened, I believe) that Gaudi had one rule, to revel in freedom, seek individual enlightenment, and not stop others from doing the same.

That's what I meant by the use of "harshing the buzz." They're stepping on people's toes with the same boring ass rules that every other city has in terms of government.

Pretty sure that's why Hallifax was created. Those squares can go there and eat their lightly buttered toast. People who don't mind a bit of chaos, go Gaudi. Gaudiguch != order or repression.

There's no reason that Hallifax has to stand for perfect order or Gaudiguch for perfect chaos. In fact, both situations are basically impossible to achieve - Glomdoring tried to establish perfect order once and they nearly got shut down. On the flip side, you can't have citizens murdering or robbing one another in the street, and there need to be guidelines on how to deal with raiders or you'll constantly be ground into the dirt. Even if they're not chiseled into a monolith in the middle of the city, I assure you that Gaudiguch will have some measure of order, especially once Scuch steps down... I mean, if either Scuch or Cririk were actual players, they both would've been unelected and probably uncitizened by now for their insistence on placing roleplay above gameplay concerns. Hopefully they remain long enough for their viewpoints to become set in stone.

I'll put it another way. Orgs have established rp. Celestians, for example, follow the teachings and worship the Supernals. If you joined Celest from Magnagora, but still tried to rp worshiping the Demon Lords (Openly, not secretively.), you would be ousted, enemied, and hunted, yes? This happens because that RP is in direct conflict with Celestian RP. Even if you were elected city leader first, and then announced that the new law was that Celest was going to start worshiping the Demon Lords instead, you again break RP, are ousted, and die.

The problem here is... Gaudiguch's RP was established by Scuchidira. She's the city leader, the last surviving member of the city, and so what she says should basically be canon. However, some people who are now in positions of power are rping in conflict of these beliefs. The problem is that they can't be ousted because there is no one (Above the leaders) that's above CR1 or GR1. It's very impossible to do anything but argue with them, and arguing gets YOU thrown out. Therein lies the conflict. Gaudiguch has been set up to be a bit disorderly, wild, and indulgent, BUT it can't set down those roots if those in power lead it away from it.

Poisoning the soil before the seeds have time to sprout.

And Gaudiguch's rules DO prevent murdering and robbing (Of citizens, at least). It hinders their ability to achieve their personal enlightenment.

I think we're more or less agreeing with one another, it just we're both assuming the other is going to the extreme. Gaudiguch is basically (From what I've gathered) supposed to be (realistically) minarchist in nature and probably (conceptually) more like objectivism.

I agree, because of the way Lusternia exists mechanically, a certain degree of order will have to exist, but I think it's already gone way to far in the other direction. Right now, by the actions being taken, it's looking like just another org in the big Lusty circle. :shrug:

One thing I'm confused by is how people insist that Hallifax is going to get stomped.

We're not, don't sweat it.