Sakr2010-10-21 09:26:56
Took this from Clan Milkweed:
Notice the commodity cost of something like beds or hammocks, compared to fighting rings, which have less commodities but same amount of months, or couches being less commodities, but more months, or even benches.
Notice the commodity cost of something like beds or hammocks, compared to fighting rings, which have less commodities but same amount of months, or couches being less commodities, but more months, or even benches.
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Furniture Type  Months    Takes Up    Comms
--------------Â Â ------Â Â ------------Â Â -----Â Â ----Â Â ----------------
Banquet Tables    250  35% regular    400
Baskets            33  personal        10
Beds              125  55% regular    400
Benches          250  30% regular      75
Bookshelves      inf  55% regular    650
Boxes              32  personal        30
Cabinets          250  45% regular    400
Chairs            200  10% regular      20
Chandeliers      600  100% ceiling  1250
Chests            250  10% regular    250
Couches          250  30% regular      75
Desks            200  25% regular    270
Drapes            200  25% wall        200
End Tables        250  20% regular      40
Fighting Rings    125  55% regular    170
Game Tables      250  20% regular      40
Hammocks          125  55% regular    400
Horns            190  personal        75
Instruments      130  personal        150
Jewelry Boxes    321  personal        125
Music Boxes      274  personal        200
Racks            250  45% regular    400
Rocking Chairs    200  15% regular    300
Rugs              200  100% floor      150
Sconces            36  10% wall        20
Stools            24  10% regular      10
Swings            200  10% regular      20
Tapestries        180  25% wall        250
Thrones          600  70% regular    1250
--------------Â Â ------Â Â ------------Â Â -----Â Â ----Â Â ----------------
Banquet Tables    250  35% regular    400
Baskets            33  personal        10
Beds              125  55% regular    400
Benches          250  30% regular      75
Bookshelves      inf  55% regular    650
Boxes              32  personal        30
Cabinets          250  45% regular    400
Chairs            200  10% regular      20
Chandeliers      600  100% ceiling  1250
Chests            250  10% regular    250
Couches          250  30% regular      75
Desks            200  25% regular    270
Drapes            200  25% wall        200
End Tables        250  20% regular      40
Fighting Rings    125  55% regular    170
Game Tables      250  20% regular      40
Hammocks          125  55% regular    400
Horns            190  personal        75
Instruments      130  personal        150
Jewelry Boxes    321  personal        125
Music Boxes      274  personal        200
Racks            250  45% regular    400
Rocking Chairs    200  15% regular    300
Rugs              200  100% floor      150
Sconces            36  10% wall        20
Stools            24  10% regular      10
Swings            200  10% regular      20
Tapestries        180  25% wall        250
Thrones          600  70% regular    1250
Ayisdra2010-10-21 12:32:53
QUOTE (Falcon @ Oct 21 2010, 05:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Took this from Clan Milkweed:
Notice the commodity cost of something like beds or hammocks, compared to fighting rings, which have less commodities but same amount of months, or couches being less commodities, but more months, or even benches.
(table of awesome)
Notice the commodity cost of something like beds or hammocks, compared to fighting rings, which have less commodities but same amount of months, or couches being less commodities, but more months, or even benches.
(table of awesome)
Milkweed has a number of private designs that are awesome like that.
Sakr2010-10-21 16:18:58
Ok, pay attention to the commodity cost, and the total amount of months it would last? To pay 400 commodities to make a bed, and have it last less time than a couch is telling me that if I want these things, with no repair skill, it will be cheaper in the long run to get a statis gem, instead of having a statis gem be an option.
Lendren2010-10-21 16:35:41
In theory, "utility" is also a factor. If any artisan crafts were really useful, that might be more convincing as an argument. But at least a bed does something (hastens recovery of endurance/tiredness) while a couch is purely decorative.
I'm of two minds about a repair skill. On the one hand, it might encourage people to buy furniture who otherwise won't. On the other, it would cannibalize the vast majority of our already-meager sales, and most people expect you won't charge profit on repair, so you're essentially giving away your entire trade. The net result would probably be for the worse for the trade as a whole. But it's a close thing.
In the end I conclude, furniture is, in real life, far more repairable and far more lasting than clothing, books, even some kinds of jewelry, and therefore in the game it should be the same. But then, in real life, wood doesn't cost more than diamonds, and watches don't use almost seven times as much material as bracelets, and beds don't use up an entire year's timber production for an entire forest. So how much does real life really apply?
But Estarra said no repair skill, no recovery of comms from deconstruction, (effectively) no new skills or patterns, and there will be no reconsideration of these decisions; so there's only one way left to get an upgrade to your tradeskill. FORGET ARTISAN; SKILLCHOICE LIST. Woe be unto you if you, like me, already invested millions into cartels before you discovered this.
I'm of two minds about a repair skill. On the one hand, it might encourage people to buy furniture who otherwise won't. On the other, it would cannibalize the vast majority of our already-meager sales, and most people expect you won't charge profit on repair, so you're essentially giving away your entire trade. The net result would probably be for the worse for the trade as a whole. But it's a close thing.
In the end I conclude, furniture is, in real life, far more repairable and far more lasting than clothing, books, even some kinds of jewelry, and therefore in the game it should be the same. But then, in real life, wood doesn't cost more than diamonds, and watches don't use almost seven times as much material as bracelets, and beds don't use up an entire year's timber production for an entire forest. So how much does real life really apply?
But Estarra said no repair skill, no recovery of comms from deconstruction, (effectively) no new skills or patterns, and there will be no reconsideration of these decisions; so there's only one way left to get an upgrade to your tradeskill. FORGET ARTISAN; SKILLCHOICE LIST. Woe be unto you if you, like me, already invested millions into cartels before you discovered this.
Sakr2010-10-21 16:46:54
I dropped Jewelry willingly to go into artisan, knowing that I may not make as much money as before. I'm saving up to make that cartel so i could invest my own designs for L'ianmor. I even got a pantograph so I could better fit more furniture into the rooms. There are very few active artisans in Glomdoring as well, so that influenced the choice to become the guild's only artisan too...
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guess I'll be investing the credits from elite each month to buy a statis gem.
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guess I'll be investing the credits from elite each month to buy a statis gem.
Furien2010-10-22 09:56:24
Targeting gems should not trigger dodging.
Unknown2010-10-23 05:45:38
Pleeasee pleeease can we make it so you can read a sorcelglass while it's for sale in a shop. I wanna be able to see what I'm buying! 
Just the name and description of the scroll it's written on is no help at all.
Just the name and description of the scroll it's written on is no help at all.Everiine2010-10-23 18:05:39
QUOTE (Pectus Dawneye @ Oct 23 2010, 01:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Pleeasee pleeease can we make it so you can read a sorcelglass while it's for sale in a shop. I wanna be able to see what I'm buying! Just the name and description of the scroll it's written on is no help at all.
Just the name and description of the scroll it's written on is no help at all.You take that nonsense elsewhere. What you suggest would actually benefit bookbinders, and we can't have any of those hooligans benefiting from their trade.
Casilu2010-10-23 18:32:58
QUOTE (Everiine @ Oct 23 2010, 11:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You take that nonsense elsewhere. What you suggest would actually benefit bookbinders, and we can't have any of those hooligans benefiting from their trade.
Yeah, those jerks.
Ilyssa2010-10-23 18:35:43
QUOTE (casilu @ Oct 23 2010, 09:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah, those jerks.
We should make books un-readable too.
Neos2010-10-23 20:50:01
Could people not be told who puts a thoughtstealer on them? I understand if it's another illusionist, but I don't think regular people should be able to know. It is fun to use, but there are things, with practically the same use, but better. Ribbachi, stealth eavesdrop, and possibly others. With stolen thoughts they are both told it's on them, and who put it on them.
Casilu2010-10-23 20:57:04
Should just nerf Ribbachi.
Malarious2010-10-24 00:56:59
QUOTE (AquaNeos @ Oct 23 2010, 04:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Could people not be told who puts a thoughtstealer on them? I understand if it's another illusionist, but I don't think regular people should be able to know. It is fun to use, but there are things, with practically the same use, but better. Ribbachi, stealth eavesdrop, and possibly others. With stolen thoughts they are both told it's on them, and who put it on them.
Eavesdrop is stoppable, and Ribbachi/Tracker pets are killable. Stolenthoughts, even knowing you have it, is not so easily removed by most of the population.
Neos2010-10-24 01:11:59
QUOTE (Malarious @ Oct 23 2010, 08:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Eavesdrop is stoppable, and Ribbachi/Tracker pets are killable. Stolenthoughts, even knowing you have it, is not so easily removed by most of the population.
How is it stoppable? Blue? That also stops stolen thoughts. Ribbachi/Tracker pets I believe can be hidden from view, so you have to remember to actually look for them. If you don't remember and someone talks, you don't know to tell them to shut up. Stolen thoughts: you both know you have it on you and from who. Simply have to remind people to shut up.
Thendis2010-10-24 02:05:29
QUOTE (AquaNeos @ Oct 23 2010, 08:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ribbachi/Tracker pets I believe can be hidden from view, so you have to remember to actually look for them.
Set highlights for ribbachi and tracker pets. Or get good at noticing them.
Casilu2010-10-24 02:30:58
QUOTE (Thendis @ Oct 23 2010, 07:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Set highlights for ribbachi and tracker pets. Or get good at noticing them.
Ribbachi can be hidden. Sometimes, Arix likes to send one to the Matrix every couple of minutes.
Mirami2010-10-24 05:17:16
Can't ribbachi also be two-shotted?
Sakr2010-10-24 19:14:19
Make the high-five emote require consent. Sometimes I don't want to high-five or get high-five'd.
Casilu2010-10-24 19:27:32
QUOTE (Romertien @ Oct 23 2010, 10:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Can't ribbachi also be two-shotted?
If you don't crit at all, it would be like 5/6 hits. Well, for me, anyway.
Daraius2010-10-25 04:47:04
QUOTE (Falcon @ Oct 24 2010, 03:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Make the high-five emote require consent. Sometimes I don't want to high-five or get high-five'd.
Also: pet, pat, handshake, hug, snuggle, pounce, glomp, romp, sniff, lick, kiss, deepkiss, tenderkiss.
EDIT: Okay, forget tenderkiss. I'm always up for some non-consensual tenderkissing.
