Firstaid

by Charune

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Janalon2010-01-27 01:01:27
Dunno if it is too much to ask... BUT can you add a toggle to FIRSTAID to gag the line:

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* FirstAid Sending: outr 1 calamus


and

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* FirstAid Sending: eat calamus


and/or adding it to CONFIG COLOR? I'd love to have the options of making this part more or less visible. MORE visible if I want to start memorizing cures and such. LESS if I want that total fantasy immersion experience. Just a thought.

Either way, thanks 1,000,000,000,000,000,000!
Arix2010-01-27 01:21:12
it lists insomnia as 'cured by nothing'
Ssaliss2010-01-27 01:27:41
QUOTE (Arix @ Jan 27 2010, 02:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
it lists insomnia as 'cured by nothing'

That's likely because if it was actually cured by something (systemwise) it'd end up curing it all the time, which would be rather detrimental to a majority of the users.
Arix2010-01-27 01:28:47
I was just pointing it out
Charune2010-01-27 04:08:52
QUOTE (Atellus @ Jan 26 2010, 06:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh yes and before I forget, I wanted FIRSTAID NOPOWER to be the option so it would not mess up new players curing but would still allow for more advanced usage. It is not really a big deal though.

It will only gedulah/green if you have the skill and have the power.. isn't that fine?
Atellus2010-01-27 04:10:31
QUOTE (Charune @ Jan 26 2010, 08:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It will only gedulah/green if you have the skill and have the power.. isn't that fine?


Yeah the case where you have the skill, you are locked, you have power, and you use firstaid is not some common use case so it is not a big deal at all.
Eliron2010-01-27 05:37:52
Adding my raves to the list, since this is great. I've definitely introduced friends to the game who've taken one look at the curing and decided it's too complicated. This should help ease people into it nicely, and I'll definitely enjoy it (since I've only got some of the curing down).

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Lorina2010-01-27 06:28:50
This firstaid thing is AWESOME. It really is going to let novices be more involved in combat and it is going to make them take more chances, I think, since they have this to fall back on! Kudos. I love it!
Furien2010-01-27 06:46:36
Wow. This is awesome.
Nori2010-01-27 07:58:59
QUOTE (Shulamit @ Jan 26 2010, 02:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It doesn't seem to use healing powers, but I could be mistaken. I carry no herbs, or most potions, since I'm almost trans healing, and I asked to be afflicted, used firstaid, and it didn't seem to use any of my healing powers.




I still carry herbs, but I love using my healing abilities and having my auras up, can I ask how this will interact if at all with FirstAid?



QUOTE (Janalon @ Jan 26 2010, 08:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Dunno if it is too much to ask... BUT can you add a toggle to FIRSTAID to gag the line:

CODE
* FirstAid Sending: outr 1 calamus


and

CODE
* FirstAid Sending: eat calamus


and/or adding it to CONFIG COLOR? I'd love to have the options of making this part more or less visible. MORE visible if I want to start memorizing cures and such. LESS if I want that total fantasy immersion experience. Just a thought.

Either way, thanks 1,000,000,000,000,000,000!






I agree, adding it into Config Color would be wonderful. I need stuff bright while I'm in combat.

Very nice feature content.gif Thank you!
Gregori2010-01-27 08:15:09
Why are people expecting this to be an in-house healing system that will acocunt for everything? It's meant to help people more easily integrate into combat, especially 'noobs'. If you want full blown systems there are plenty provided.
Janalon2010-01-27 09:59:10
QUOTE (Gregori @ Jan 27 2010, 03:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Why are people expecting this to be an in-house healing system that will acocunt for everything? It's meant to help people more easily integrate into combat, especially 'noobs'. If you want full blown systems there are plenty provided.


Yes... somewhat'ish. Nothing for the Mac platform (specifically). You then get into the whole sticky situation of having to run WINE (and then finding the version which is most compatible with the MUD client and script). Ethy's was slow as hell... Treant didn't jive. And imagine paying $$$ credits to find out a system doesn't work? This means having to run Boot Camp... I don't' even want to hear that I shouldn't be playing an "internet-based" game on a Mac. Us pure Mac people have been left with nearly any other option other than to ignore advanced bashing, raids, defending, revolts, etc. And you know how well that looks when you have to "choose" to abstain from participating... gets a whole people irate with you (especially the more visible you are within an organization). It is frustrating as anything that I cannot play the game as intended because I don't have one of those plenty provided, full blown systems out there that don't quite exist for Mac's. Begging someone to custom write a system for $$$ or learning to code myself shouldn't be the only options to have ground level participation. So yes, I do need an in-house healing system that will account for everything, or at least until there is a public system (either open-source or pay-to-play) for Mudlet.

PS. Not to mention those of us who have to rely on Nexus because we are on travel OR because our home computers are sunk for whatever reason.

Gregori2010-01-27 10:10:42
QUOTE (Janalon @ Jan 27 2010, 03:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Begging someone to custom write a system for $$$ or learning to code myself shouldn't be the only options to have ground level participation.


You do have ground level participation now. First Aid is designed to be that. It is not designed and should not be designed to be an in game Treant. The Coders have far more important things to do than making sure that the few Mac users have a full healing system. If you want more than what First Aid offers, and it shouldn't offer much other than base curing for novices to help them along and get used to things, then you should either learn to code, which is not hard given the resources out there to teach it, or putter along with the basic level of participation.

I am glad Charune coded this, but I don't think he should be investing further time to make it a full healing system that will constantly need to be updated and changed. There are 4 guilds in the works that I am betting, given past performance of guild openings, are still in need of a lot of work - Guards, nexus powers, the skills themselves, that would be a better use of Charune's resources at this point
Unknown2010-01-27 10:20:54
QUOTE (Gregori @ Jan 27 2010, 01:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Why are people expecting this to be an in-house healing system that will acocunt for everything? It's meant to help people more easily integrate into combat, especially 'noobs'. If you want full blown systems there are plenty provided.

No one said that firstaid should function as a 'full-blown healing system', only that it should work to some degree in any situation (ie in sap, choke, etc.) Which is pretty reasonable. Just code in a one-second delay between each automated command. It's far-far-far from perfect, but it'll certainly cure... maybe fast enough for you to get away, but probably not.
Janalon2010-01-27 10:37:31
QUOTE (Gregori @ Jan 27 2010, 05:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You do have ground level participation now. First Aid is designed to be that. It is not designed and should not be designed to be an in game Treant. The Coders have far more important things to do than making sure that the few Mac users have a full healing system. If you want more than what First Aid offers, and it shouldn't offer much other than base curing for novices to help them along and get used to things, then you should either learn to code, which is not hard given the resources out there to teach it, or putter along with the basic level of participation.

I am glad Charune coded this, but I don't think he should be investing further time to make it a full healing system that will constantly need to be updated and changed. There are 4 guilds in the works that I am betting, given past performance of guild openings, are still in need of a lot of work - Guards, nexus powers, the skills themselves, that would be a better use of Charune's resources at this point


Never argued that it should be a full-blown Treant; that being said, I would like it to heal most of the afflictions out there (maybe not all the locks). Just to have something for ground level participation. And, as we all know, the bar is set pretty high (both ingame and personal skill) for players to enter the fray of combat. I can now participate without being owned within the first few seconds.

Besides, didn't this come out of that whole forum survey for "streamlining combat" and providing better support for new users (and, I suppose unsupported players) an entrance into combat? Wasn't that voted by players through the forums? So, it may not address your personal needs, but I think it will go a loooonnnng way to help many of us (even those who are well beyond the newbie stage).
Unknown2010-01-27 14:44:20
QUOTE (Janalon @ Jan 27 2010, 04:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Never argued that it should be a full-blown Treant; that being said, I would like it to heal most of the afflictions out there (maybe not all the locks). Just to have something for ground level participation. And, as we all know, the bar is set pretty high (both ingame and personal skill) for players to enter the fray of combat. I can now participate without being owned within the first few seconds.

Besides, didn't this come out of that whole forum survey for "streamlining combat" and providing better support for new users (and, I suppose unsupported players) an entrance into combat? Wasn't that voted by players through the forums? So, it may not address your personal needs, but I think it will go a loooonnnng way to help many of us (even those who are well beyond the newbie stage).


It sounds like the two of you are practically agreeing and just don't realize it. This system already allows for ground level participation, and it already heals most of the afflictions out there, including most of the locks.

I think Gregori was addressing his point at people asking for it to take healing and other things into account. It shouldn't be designed to do that. If you want advanced healing, find a way to get it. For example, you mentioned several options to get more advanced healing. Use Windows, go through Wine or Boot Camp, learn to code your own system based on work in Mudlet, etc.. Everyone seems to be agreeing that if you want something advanced, you should have to put in the work to get something advanced. This system is absolutely awesome for people who just want ground level participation and don't need incredibly advanced systems.

Good work on this, Charune!
Esano2010-01-27 14:58:36
I love the idea, but I agree that excess coding time shouldn't be placed into this to account for every minor situation. I'm not talking about such situations as locks and aeon; those are supposedly already dealt with, and I would suggest that they be dealt with (mostly it's minor logic in the first, a bit more complex for the second). Once you add in more qualifiers and options, especially with things not available to everyone such as Healing, I think it's getting beyond what's needed at this point. It heals in the methods that are available to everyone: standard cures of herbs, potions, etc., plus gedulah/green (and cleansing? I didn't test that part too much) to account for locks.

It allows for ground level participation. It doesn't need to account for anything else.
Charune2010-01-27 19:36:37
Re: Macs... I've never owned one, but perhaps I'm the only one on these forums who has built a full Tinyfugue system!
Veyrzhul2010-01-27 19:58:54
I'd say that if you combine firstaid with a sipper, some highlights, keybindings and aliases on nexus, you'll be good to participate in pretty much everything. Not top notch, but still.
Tervic2010-01-27 20:34:25
QUOTE (Charune @ Jan 26 2010, 08:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It will only gedulah/green if you have the skill and have the power.. isn't that fine?

I would personally prefer if it didn't use power-cures at all (since those are kind of a hallmark of higher-level comat, at least in my eyes), but eh, I'll deal.