Stargate Mafia

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Tekora2010-03-03 02:18:31
QUOTE (Shaddus Mes'ard @ Mar 2 2010, 09:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think what Xavius meant is that whoever has the food and water, has power. I don't think he meant power really equals food and water.

Tekora, you're awful close to Mirami there. Any reason why you're so quick to jump on the bandwagon?


In case you haven't noticed, I STARTED the bandwagon. I was just waiting to see who you guys wanted to go after before using my vote, otherwise I would have voted for him 2 posts ago.
Shaddus2010-03-03 02:21:08
QUOTE (Tekora @ Mar 2 2010, 08:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
In case you haven't noticed, I STARTED the bandwagon. I was just waiting to see who you guys wanted to go after before using my vote, otherwise I would have voted for him 2 posts ago.

So you basically cast blame on someone to see if others would vote for them, but waited for your vote until someone else voted?

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Xavius2010-03-03 02:28:53
No, I did mean that without power, you have no food or water. It's a space ship. You think you have food without refrigeration? Water without pumps and purifiers? Heck, air without pumps and purifiers? Do you think you can loot the corner convenience store for Evian and Doritos? It was actually a major plot point in one of the early episodes of the new Stargate series.

The mod doesn't care, though. These votes seem to just be for flavor to decide how we're all going to die. tongue.gif
Tekora2010-03-03 02:30:11
QUOTE (Shaddus Mes'ard @ Mar 2 2010, 09:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So you basically cast blame on someone to see if others would vote for them, but waited for your vote until someone else voted?

chin.gif


When I started posting tonight, it was my full intention to vote for whoever was the lowest poster so far and get people to start playing. Those are Xavius and Gleip. I FOS'd them because 'I can't vote for both of them'. Then when Vendetta and Romertien decided on going after Xavius instead of Gleip, I then threw my weight behind the pressure, as I fully intended to do in the first place.

Now back off before I point out how suspicious it is that you're going after me for trying to get people motivated before a deadline starts and we're forced to make a snap judgement that will likely result in another townie lynch.
Mirami2010-03-03 02:46:27
wait, we're on a ship? I thought we could be planet-side in a base or something like that, too.
Ileein2010-03-03 02:49:14
QUOTE (Romertien @ Mar 2 2010, 09:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
wait, we're on a ship? I thought we could be planet-side in a base or something like that, too.


That was my assumption, but I've heard the phrase 'Earth Ship' thrown around. Could be either.
Unknown2010-03-03 03:51:50
This is actually a solid point of confusion for me. I didn't come into this situation with much of any information of where we were, or what had happened, apart from what was immediately observable in my surroundings.

I keep hearing we went back in time. What else do other people know about the situation?
Rika2010-03-03 04:01:38
I think that was just something Furien suggested.
Shaddus2010-03-03 04:18:04
QUOTE (Tekora @ Mar 2 2010, 08:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Now back off before I point out how suspicious it is that you're going after me for trying to get people motivated before a deadline starts and we're forced to make a snap judgement that will likely result in another townie lynch.

Now you're trying to intimidate me into not finding you suspicious? I thought the idea was to look at things and decide whether they are suspicious or not. Not only that, but you say that if I keep looking at you, you'll "force the group to lynch a townie". If what you were doing wasn't suspect, you wouldn't react so badly about it. So one of two things occurs to me:

Either

1: You're mafia, you know Xavius isn't and you're trying to get an easy lynch because Xavius always seems scummy.

2:You aren't mafia and are still banking on Xavius possibly being scummy. This isn't a scummy action in and of itself, but could go bad if Xavius is a townie. Since he's not really done anything scummy but not be around, and you've already made it clear you don't mind sacrificing townies to achieve whatever goals you have, this is a bad thing.

There's always the chance of "Tekora is scum and Xavius is scum, and Tekora is using Xavius' inactivity to distance himself by sacrificing Xavius" but I don't see that.


Yeah. How about no.

VOTE:TEKORA
Tekora2010-03-03 05:04:43
QUOTE (Shaddus Mes'ard @ Mar 2 2010, 11:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Now you're trying to intimidate me into not finding you suspicious? I thought the idea was to look at things and decide whether they are suspicious or not. Not only that, but you say that if I keep looking at you, you'll "force the group to lynch a townie". If what you were doing wasn't suspect, you wouldn't react so badly about it. So one of two things occurs to me:

Either

1: You're mafia, you know Xavius isn't and you're trying to get an easy lynch because Xavius always seems scummy.

2:You aren't mafia and are still banking on Xavius possibly being scummy. This isn't a scummy action in and of itself, but could go bad if Xavius is a townie. Since he's not really done anything scummy but not be around, and you've already made it clear you don't mind sacrificing townies to achieve whatever goals you have, this is a bad thing.

There's always the chance of "Tekora is scum and Xavius is scum, and Tekora is using Xavius' inactivity to distance himself by sacrificing Xavius" but I don't see that.


Yeah. How about no.


Unvote: Xavius

Fair enough. You wanna play Hard Ball? Let's play.

QUOTE (Shaddus)
Not only that, but you say that if I keep looking at you, you'll "force the group to lynch a townie".


That's a quote? Where'd you find it? Oh, you didn't find it anywhere, you just made it up yourself. What I DID say was...

QUOTE (Tekora)
Now back off before I point out how suspicious it is that you're going after me for trying to get people motivated before a deadline starts and we're forced to make a snap judgement that will likely result in another townie lynch.


Up until just tonight, we had no one posting and no lines of discussion going. At all. If this had been allowed to continue, Xikue would have set a 24-hour deadline, and one of two things would have happened. We either would have scrambled to find someone to lynch, just for the sake of lynching someone, or we would have gone No Lynch on Day 2, and allowed the Mafia to gain more of a foothold than they already have.

Really, I'm stunned to see you stretching so far just to try to incriminate me, it's a hell of a jump from,

QUOTE (What I really said)
"...trying to get people motivated before a deadline starts and we're forced to make a snap judgement that will likely result in another townie lynch."


to

QUOTE (What Shaddus thinks I said)
"I'll force the group to lynch a townie"


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QUOTE (Shaddus)
1: You're mafia, you know Xavius isn't and you're trying to get an easy lynch because Xavius always seems scummy.


If I wanted the easy lynch, I would've gone after Gleip, the relative newbie. Not Xavius, the crafty veteran. NEXT.

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QUOTE (Shaddus)
You've already made it clear you don't mind sacrificing townies to achieve whatever goals you have, this is a bad thing.


Does anyone else think I've 'made it clear that I don't mind sacrificing townies to achieve whatever goals I have?' Because really, I thought I just got done saying that the whole reason I started on this course of action was to PREVENT a townie lynch. Here, I'll quote myself again if you missed it the first time.

QUOTE (Tekora)
"...trying to get people motivated before a deadline starts and we're forced to make a snap judgement that will likely result in another townie lynch."


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QUOTE (Shaddus)
If what you were doing wasn't suspect, you wouldn't react so badly about it.


What I'm doing is the ONLY LINE OF ACTION that we have going right now. Before I posted tonight, the game had Zero momentum and was well on its way to the Deadline scenario that I outlined above. That scenario is exactly what the Scum want to happen, because it will most likely result in them getting at least 2 more dead townies and the town STILL won't have any real info going into Day 3 and they'll still be spinning in circles discussing Time Travel and whether they're on a ship or a base, and the Scum will keep picking them off one by one.

The fact that you're going for my throat for being the only townie with the initiative to start a productive line of discussion tells me that you DON'T want the townies to gain momentum and you want to get rid of me, probably because you believe that if you take me out, that the townies will lose their motivation and quietly roll over as the Scum continue to pick them off 1 and 2 at a time.

And I can't think of any Pro-town role that would want that to happen.

Vote: Shaddus
Shaddus2010-03-03 05:39:31
QUOTE (Tekora @ Mar 2 2010, 11:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Unvote: Xavius

Fair enough. You wanna play Hard Ball? Let's play.



QUOTE
That's a quote? Where'd you find it? Oh, you didn't find it anywhere, you just made it up yourself. What I DID say was...

QUOTE (Tekora @ Mar 2 2010, 08:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
we're forced to make a snap judgement that will likely result in another townie lynch.


Maybe I misinterpreted this, but I doubt it.

QUOTE
Up until just tonight, we had no one posting and no lines of discussion going. At all. If this had been allowed to continue, Xikue would have set a 24-hour deadline, and one of two things would have happened. We either would have scrambled to find someone to lynch, just for the sake of lynching someone, or we would have gone No Lynch on Day 2, and allowed the Mafia to gain more of a foothold than they already have.

Really, I'm stunned to see you stretching so far just to try to incriminate me, it's a hell of a jump from,



to



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If I wanted the easy lynch, I would've gone after Gleip, the relative newbie. Not Xavius, the crafty veteran. NEXT.

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Although I agree that a deadline would have been a bad idea, I also don't see lynching someone merely because they haven't voted much. People who can't get online very much /=/ auto-mafia. You're basically saying, "I don't care who we lynch, let's just get the ball rolling.". I don't know how many mafia members we're dealing with, but it's got to be less than the town, and thus, the chances of randomly lynching a townie is much more than lynching a mafia. I'd prefer to stay away from the random factor, kthx.


Does anyone else think I've 'made it clear that I don't mind sacrificing townies to achieve whatever goals I have?' Because really, I thought I just got done saying that the whole reason I started on this course of action was to PREVENT a townie lynch. Here, I'll quote myself again if you missed it the first time.


See above.
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QUOTE
What I'm doing is the ONLY LINE OF ACTION that we have going right now. Before I posted tonight, the game had Zero momentum and was well on its way to the Deadline scenario that I outlined above. That scenario is exactly what the Scum want to happen, because it will most likely result in them getting at least 2 more dead townies and the town STILL won't have any real info going into Day 3 and they'll still be spinning in circles discussing Time Travel and whether they're on a ship or a base, and the Scum will keep picking them off one by one.

The fact that you're going for my throat for being the only townie with the initiative to start a productive line of discussion tells me that you DON'T want the townies to gain momentum and you want to get rid of me, probably because you believe that if you take me out, that the townies will lose their motivation and quietly roll over as the Scum continue to pick them off 1 and 2 at a time.

And I can't think of any Pro-town role that would want that to happen.


Vote: Shaddus



First off, this whole series is a fantastic OMGUS and modified WIFoM speech. Bravo. I don't want any townies to get lynched, you basically want to lynch someone, anyone. Who is in the right here?

I'm not going for your throat because you want to get the ball rolling. To the contrary, I agree that arguing "where are we and are we on a ship/planet/alien laboratory" is neither productive nor what we need right now. But saying, "Hey, these two aren't very active, let's see what happens if we lynch them and hope we get a mafia!" isn't a good idea. Not only that, but you threw these two out in front of the torch bearing mob, so to speak, and waited to vote on whoever everyone else is voting for. You might just be trying to get the ball rolling, but it also looks like you're just trying to fit in with the crowd, which is definately scummy.

Your move, sunshine.
Unknown2010-03-03 05:55:59
Oddly enough, Xavius doesn't appear too interested in defending himself on this count so much as clarifying what he meant with the food and power comment. I'm not sure what else to think other that whenever we do get an option, he's probably right in thinking it's just how we pick our next flavour of death. tongue.gif
Shaddus2010-03-03 05:58:12
Xavius, defend yourself before you make me look like a censor.gif -tard
Xavius2010-03-03 06:09:28
What sort of defense do you want? I've got +2 Xavipoints if any of you remember the last time I wasn't scum, if you want to know why I'm not being aggro. I don't have any sort of information to share, and when I did, I shared it. You'll note that when I did share information, I successfully fingered scum. You're welcome, by the way.

Speaking of, Tekora voted for Shaddus on post 108, well after it had been clarified that the vote was a lynch. I think Shaddus is on to something. Tekora is blindly pushing trains.

Vote: Tekora
Shaddus2010-03-03 06:12:10
Watch, watch. Tekora is about to say that Xavius and I are a scum team. Wait for it...
Shaddus2010-03-03 06:14:53
@Tekora:All joking aside, we even had a semi-mass roleclaim earlier in order to see what we could discern. Why would you say we have no other avenues?

@everyone: Anyone else have anything in their role that might help us? Nothing that might get you killed, obviously, but something like these diagnostic things?
Tekora2010-03-03 06:17:52
QUOTE (Shaddus Mes'ard @ Mar 3 2010, 12:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm not going for your throat because you want to get the ball rolling. To the contrary, I agree that arguing "where are we and are we on a ship/planet/alien laboratory" is neither productive nor what we need right now. But saying, "Hey, these two aren't very active, let's see what happens if we lynch them and hope we get a mafia!" isn't a good idea. Not only that, but you threw these two out in front of the torch bearing mob, so to speak, and waited to vote on whoever everyone else is voting for. You might just be trying to get the ball rolling, but it also looks like you're just trying to fit in with the crowd, which is definately scummy.

Your move, sunshine.


QUOTE (Ileein @ Mar 2 2010, 07:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But we don't know who to lynch! D:


QUOTE (Tekora @ Mar 2 2010, 07:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What about lynching the most inactive person? Or at least waking them up and squeezing them for information?


The only time I said to 'lynch them' was in direct response to Ileein's comment, my aim then shifted to the more standard 'Get votes on them until they roleclaim'. You continue to misquote me and trying to use hyperbole and sensationalism in your attempt to discredit/incriminate me.

And I'm not trying to fit in with the crowd, I'm LEADING it. So you can throw that argument out the window.

QUOTE (Shaddus)
Xavius, defend yourself before you make me look like a censor.gif -tard


He doesn't need to defend himself, he's done nothing wrong. You on the other hand made and are making a concerted effort to derail the only course of discussion that we currently have right now. Well, you know what? You succeeded. All my suspicions lie solely on you right now.
Xavius2010-03-03 06:18:32
Man, and I thought I was a slow poster. Just in case you refresh before you post, you should know that posthumous justification smells like empty defensiveness.
Xavius2010-03-03 06:18:46
Oh, wait, hey, got ninjaed.
Tekora2010-03-03 06:19:46
QUOTE (Xavius @ Mar 3 2010, 01:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What sort of defense do you want? I've got +2 Xavipoints if any of you remember the last time I wasn't scum, if you want to know why I'm not being aggro. I don't have any sort of information to share, and when I did, I shared it. You'll note that when I did share information, I successfully fingered scum. You're welcome, by the way.

Speaking of, Tekora voted for Shaddus on post 108, well after it had been clarified that the vote was a lynch. I think Shaddus is on to something. Tekora is blindly pushing trains.

Vote: Tekora


That vote was back when I was still playing jokingly and not taking the game serious yet. Thus the 'GO GET EM, TIGER'.

I'm not joking around anymore.