Touhou Smalltown Mafia

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Unknown2010-04-05 18:52:17
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I'd have to agree. Gleip just voted pretty flippantly. (Not that I haven't done the same, so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.)

That said, FOS: Gleip.


I have a proposal for this game.

How about everyone uniquely abstains for FOSing? Dont bold FOS, dont use FOS - just make your points without having to resort to the dumbed-down "IDONTLIKEYOUBOLDDECLARATION". Think of it as an experiment. I'm not suggesting people dont scumhunt or anything of that nature, I am only suggesting people do not use, for this game only, the common FOS mechanic.

Tekora2010-04-05 19:46:06
QUOTE (B_a_L_i @ Apr 5 2010, 02:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I have a proposal for this game.

How about everyone uniquely abstains for FOSing? Dont bold FOS, dont use FOS - just make your points without having to resort to the dumbed-down "IDONTLIKEYOUBOLDDECLARATION". Think of it as an experiment. I'm not suggesting people dont scumhunt or anything of that nature, I am only suggesting people do not use, for this game only, the common FOS mechanic.


But then people will go after you for voting carelessly and trying to get people lynched, like Shaddus tried to do to me last game.

So yeah, bad idea in my opinion.
Kiradawea2010-04-05 22:29:12
Except wasn't that the telltale sign that Shaddus was scum last game? Clearly, you haven't had enough sake.

To be honest, I don't use FOS myself. If you find that someone is behaving odd, then you vote for them. There's nothing inheirtantly scummy in trying to get the game to move along, which is why I find it so astonishing that people were so willing to stab down Tekora for just that in the last game.

And to the rest of you guys, speak up more.
Ileein2010-04-05 22:47:40
I just use FOS as a way of saying "I intend to vote for this person but am willing to give a chance for the victim to explain him/herself." It seems to work well as that.
Mirami2010-04-05 22:48:37
Indeed it does!

That being said, am I the only person that FoS'd Gleip and is now actually following through with it?
Kiradawea2010-04-05 22:52:26
That's pretty unneccessary the way you guys use em. It's useful if someone is very close to a lynch yes, but right now, with Gleip being ways away from lynch, it just seems unneccessary and like an empty threath.
Ileein2010-04-05 22:53:41
QUOTE (Romertien @ Apr 5 2010, 06:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Indeed it does!

That being said, am I the only person that FoS'd Gleip and is now actually following through with it?


Yeah, well, I was convinced that it was probably just stupid first-round voting that probably doesn't mean much.
Shiri2010-04-06 01:37:17
I am in favour of Bali's plan. Furthermore I am in favour of voting for either Ileein or Tekora for already having violated it. Tekora in particular should know better by now that it's worthless unless you're already casting your vote and want to make it obvious that that's where your vote is going later.
Gleip2010-04-06 11:57:24
QUOTE (thisismydisplayname @ Apr 5 2010, 05:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Aaand after explaining myself, you still haven't unvoted. You just want that vote stuck on me, don't you? losewings.gif

I am Utsuho. I'll always have a vote on someone! Now shush your whining, or I shall be diving you, instead of someone really suspicious, like Tekora the confuser. Trying to twist Kira's wording from "us knowing if the vig has killed that night" to "us knowing what was vig kill and what was scum kill". Seems like a very scared arsonist who was lucky and got extra vig powers on top.
Gleip2010-04-06 12:09:54
For those in need of pointing out the obvious, here's the exchange that made me wonder about Tekora.

QUOTE (Tekora @ Apr 4 2010, 12:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Addressing Shiri's concerns about Yuyuko's power being a boon for scum, I'm willing to agree to full disclosure. If I kill someone during the night, I'll admit to it the next morning. Fair deal?



QUOTE (Kiradawea @ Apr 4 2010, 01:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think we'd be able to figure that out anyway. tongue.gif

And no killing Xavius until he's copied me and Alice!



QUOTE (Tekora @ Apr 4 2010, 04:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And how exactly would you be able to differentiate between vig kills and scum kills?

FoS: Kiradawea



QUOTE (Kiradawea @ Apr 4 2010, 04:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Because... if there's two kills you're most likely the second? Not even counting that there'd probably be flavour differences.



QUOTE (Tekora @ Apr 4 2010, 04:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You're experienced enough to know better than to second-guess the mod.



QUOTE (Kiradawea @ Apr 4 2010, 04:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm not. There are three possible night kills (four if you count Xavius' ability to copy you). One of those requires a set up which we can calculate. Even more so, there can only at most be two night kills on night one. Scum and you. No one else has abilities that kill directly.

And yeah, we don't know if there are different kill messages for nightkills. But you know what? We'll actually figure that out as well as the game goes on. There is no "second-guessing". It's a statement of facts. If you start vigging around, we'll know.

See there? Tekora getting all paranoid because Kira points out that we can figure out if the vig has been active that night on our own. Makes me wanna go boom.
Unknown2010-04-06 12:23:05
This game doesn't have an inactivity policy.. Yet. But we have replacements waiting! Hinthint.

Vote Count
Tekora - 1 (Shiri)
Siam - 1 (Gleip)
Gleip - 2 (Xavius, Romertien)

With 14 alive, it's 8 to lynch.
Tekora2010-04-06 12:32:53
QUOTE (Shiri @ Apr 5 2010, 09:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I am in favour of Bali's plan. Furthermore I am in favour of voting for either Ileein or Tekora for already having violated it. Tekora in particular should know better by now that it's worthless unless you're already casting your vote and want to make it obvious that that's where your vote is going later.


Excuse me, I was legitimately concerned with what Kiradawea was saying. It's not often that someone comes up and claims to have the ability to tell vig kills from mafia kills.
Tekora2010-04-06 12:34:46
QUOTE (Gleip @ Apr 6 2010, 07:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I am Utsuho. I'll always have a vote on someone! Now shush your whining, or I shall be diving you, instead of someone really suspicious, like Tekora the confuser. Trying to twist Kira's wording from "us knowing if the vig has killed that night" to "us knowing what was vig kill and what was scum kill". Seems like a very scared arsonist who was lucky and got extra vig powers on top.


Oh, and being a DAY vig with mafia/arsonist powers is any better? Best be turning that analytical gaze back on yourself.
Unknown2010-04-06 12:44:29
I believe Kira was using a literal "we" instead of a royal "we" there. This came into play in a vague manner during the last game, where I missed things even though I reviewed the basic flow of events, but other people were better able to pick out who killed who with the bits of flavour that came with death. Granted, no one's died yet to give us a reasonable idea if this will be the same case this game or not, but "think" isn't a terribly strong word in the affirmative either.
Shiri2010-04-06 13:55:06
QUOTE (Tekora @ Apr 6 2010, 01:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Excuse me, I was legitimately concerned with what Kiradawea was saying. It's not often that someone comes up and claims to have the ability to tell vig kills from mafia kills.

And yet you can't have been that legitimately concerned because as the last votecount demonstrates you are still sitting on your noncommittal "vote: nobody."
Saran2010-04-06 14:18:28
Not really anything to say, just saying something to show I am here. (distracted because I was at a lan from midday saturday to 9am monday and I'm still tired... doing this again next week potentially)
Kiradawea2010-04-06 14:18:54
QUOTE (Tekora @ Apr 6 2010, 02:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh, and being a DAY vig with mafia/arsonist powers is any better? Best be turning that analytical gaze back on yourself.

Did you just mix up your responses with your quotes? Because I can't see Gleip arguing about if we should lynch someone based on the power they exhibit.

And even then, yeah, it is much better, since he can only use his power once every other day, and since it happens during the day, we'll definately know that he's the perpetrator of the killing.

And Vendetta got it right. Which is why I'm finding that you are far more skittish than usual.
Tekora2010-04-06 15:27:09
I'm not skittish, I just haven't seen a reason to be voting yet. Gleip might have voted randomly, but that's par for the course on Day 1. Instead, I'm looking at Shiri right now, because his argument against me doesn't hold up as well as if you were to apply it to Gleip. A day vig/mafioso is far more dangerous than a night vig/mafioso, yet Shiri's coming after me.
Shiri2010-04-06 15:31:59
No, a day vig/mafioso isn't more dangerous than a night vig/mafioso because the night vig can kill every night and the day vig can only kill on alternate days. That was already explained in the thread. I hate calling OMGUS since getting defensive and suspicious seems to be normal even for townies but you could at least not be blatantly wrong while claiming not to be skittish.

Unless there's some element to this that I'm missing that would explain why Gleip would legitimately make a more dangerous scum?
Kiradawea2010-04-06 15:35:09
Only during the final days, I'd think, since the dayvig could come completely out of the left field. But that'd require us to completely ignore that as a factor, which we won't because we all know that Gleip is a dayvig anyway.